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With a world-renowned trainer you're looking at an average of 1 to 1.5 more pops a season than an exceptional trainer.

I played with numbers a bit and I believe world-renowned trainer isn't worth it. And 1 to 1.5 more pops per season? That's a lot.

Let's say you are training OD on 18y old, 188cm player (let's ignore the elastic effect for now). He trains with speed of 0.6 skills/training with Lvl6 trainer. If he starts from 1 (atrocious), he gets 8.4 skills, or 8 pops with 0.4 sublevel in 14 weeks (entire season).

In order to get 9.4 skills (+ 1 pop), world-renowned trainer must train 12% faster than Lvl6.
In order to get 9.9 skills (+ 1.5 pop), world renowned trainer must train 18% faster than Lvl6.

1 to 1.5 more pops means 12% - 18% of speed, or 15% in average.

Do you want to tell me that Lvl 6 trainer trains on 85% speed of Lvl 7 trainer? I really don't believe it, because that's a lot.

Polh received 38 pops in first three seasons. Half of those were done with Lvl 5 trainer, and the other half with Lvl 6. I don't think he'd get 3 - 4.5 more pops with Lvl 7 trainer. Also if I remember correctly, JosefK somehow managed to calculate the difference between Lvl 6 and Lvl 7 trainer, and said it should be around 2%.

Now 2%...that's far from 15%. Maybe it's more than 2%, but I don't believe it's anywhere near 10%. If it was, it would favor rich teams immensely.

EIDT: Sorry if I took 2 years to reply...

Last edited by Koperboy at 10/8/2012 9:38:21 AM

since this thread has been necro'd just a little bit, i'll ask a few more questions. Keep in mind i'm a guy that really masters the art of the TL, i know next to nothing about the training regimens other than how to get 3 trainees into 1 position training and 6 into 2.

1) Lets assume that at most the world-renowned trainer gets no more than 3.5-4% better in the best case scenario. Why would even a NT need someone that good to train up NT team players? For that little a gap, i'd think a level 6 trainer is the highest anyone would ever need to go to get someone worthy.

2) Just briefly i've looked at some D.I teams across a few countries, and the highest salary i'm really seeing is 250k on a HOF, and 150k on a superstar. Thats on the low end of both caps, and none of them are capped. The fluxuations between the top and bottom seem reliant on training certain salary-hogging skills more than a potential trainer level change. This still holds true across national teams. So i have serious doubts that a NT is going to be make-or-break on the perhaps 2 or 3 pops he might get with a top end trainer. Am i flawed in this thinking?

Well, each pop counts in a close game. With trainer lvl 5 or lower you might not even finish a player, especially a SF or PF. These days players receive a lot of out-of-position training to get secondary skills and since height and age seriously hamper the training, Lvl 6 or 7 trainer is a must.

If your player reaches desirable skills quicker, you get more playing time from him as a finished player and you can also start with another trainee sooner.

So those players with "only" 250k as a HoF might be capped anyway because of secondary skills that don't add up to salary.

Take a look at two of my players, Anžic and Navršnik. One has 13k salary, the other 123k. But there's only 3 skillpoints of difference between them.

Dreaming rookies screw up the prices. Just like in Poker you can't scare novices with a raise, there's no point bidding against a rookie with some hot cash. They screw up their teams it doesn't matter.
There should be some incubation period before a rookie joins the main TL.

I make an effort to BB-mail the guys coming into the league on the USA side. I feel that even if 10% of those guys stay active, me giving them what the common mistakes a new GM makes help them avoid the big mistake that a lot of guys make.