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So please, all participating managers, let me know if fixed time for matches is ok for you

fine by me

I have a question, maybe stupid, but...

I don't understand the "problem" while the time of the games.

Imagine...

i want to create a game against ANY team, from ANYwhere.
I can create it today for April the 5th at 21h00 MYTIME

Since my opponent has one month to put his lineup, where is the problem ?
With the exception of somebody wanting to watch it live, I don't see other problem.

Please answer for what I don't understand.

So please, all participating managers, let me know if fixed time for matches is ok for you

fine by me

Thanks for your opinion, Chucarro!

We can always do a revote or just go with my name! I'm joking of course.

So, Wagner, have you decided on the playoff format?

There's nothing wrong with the IHGL. I could also vote for a revote as my 2 different suggestions lost in such an ugly manner (total of 1-1,25 votes, depending on if T-Lit's comment is count as a quarter of a vote!) xD

As we had to concentrate so much on other aspects during the last 30 hours or so, the decision on playoffs format is still pending. But as for my current view, if I'd have to say something now, I think it'd be like 85-95% probability that I'd go with the same playoff format regardless the 2 added teams. Like mentioned, that works really well for instance in Liiga (Finnish 'premier' ice hockey league). I know it'd be slightly unfortunate for you MrJ for the first season, but I hope you'll get a lot out of it anyway despite not winning all the games you'd prefer!

Im going into the first HGL with the attitude of, "Hey, I will likely lose every game; but, maybe I will sneak a suprpise win through tactics somewhere. If not, look out in Season 2, 3, 4..."

I have a question, maybe stupid, but...

I don't understand the "problem" while the time of the games.

Imagine...

i want to create a game against ANY team, from ANYwhere.
I can create it today for April the 5th at 21h00 MYTIME

Since my opponent has one month to put his lineup, where is the problem ?
With the exception of somebody wanting to watch it live, I don't see other problem.

Please answer for what I don't understand.

I agree, demars.

I don't think a set time is necessary for two reasons:

1. As demars just noted, we are setting the matches so far ahead that the start time is irrelevant.
2. (also addresses demars's comment re watching it live) Even if a team wants to watch their game live, and can't because the time isn't helpful, they can always watch the replay.

So, while I will agree to a set time if that is what everyone wants, I actually think it doesn't matter.

Fixed time is okay with me.

Thanks for confirming that.

But I think I'm done reading this thread. Too many posts and discussion about non-essential things. I'll check the main thread going forward so long as final updates are made there. Count my vote as in line with commissioner if necessary to proceed.

Right... Well, you are free to read or not to read this thread of course. I suppose it's a matter of taste what is essential and what's non-essential, so it's more or less fruitless to start debate about it now. But nevertheless it was a very good idea of you to mention what you said in your last sentence, so I'll count your vote being in line with Commissioners vote for now (let's say until HGL season actually starts or unless I hear from you again before that) if needed for proceeding.

As far as essential content regarding HGL, such as rules and penalties and all other essential information will be eventually added to both Official Threads. Not all content on both threads of course, but some content will be added to both Official Threads before the first regular season match. The idea/goal is that as manager reads both threads (as far as about 10 official posts of both threads are concerned) they will have enough information to be able to start playing in HGL, and will be able to follow the guidelines/rules set by HGL.

Fixed time is okay with me.

Thanks for confirming that.

But I think I'm done reading this thread. Too many posts and discussion about non-essential things. I'll check the main thread going forward so long as final updates are made there. Count my vote as in line with commissioner if necessary to proceed.

Right... Well, you are free to read or not to read this thread of course. I suppose it's a matter of taste what is essential and what's non-essential, so it's more or less fruitless to start debate about it now. But nevertheless it was a very good idea of you to mention what you said in your last sentence, so I'll count your vote being in line with Commissioners vote for now (let's say until HGL season actually starts or unless I hear from you again before that) if needed for proceeding.

As far as essential content regarding HGL, such as rules and penalties and all other essential information will be eventually added to both Official Threads. Not all content on both threads of course, but some content will be added to both Official Threads before the first regular season match. The idea/goal is that as manager reads both threads (as far as about 10 official posts of both threads are concerned) they will have enough information to be able to start playing in HGL, and will be able to follow the guidelines/rules set by HGL.

Keep up the great work, Wagner.

Im going into the first HGL with the attitude of, "Hey, I will likely lose every game; but, maybe I will sneak a suprpise win through tactics somewhere. If not, look out in Season 2, 3, 4..." :D

Exactly - you are such an experienced manager, that it can often give you some tactical edge over less experienced ones... And, like mentioned, even though you wouldn't reach playoffs for the first season, every win counts towards your all time winning records. :)
Speaking of playoff and the format in question. Still under consideration, but I'd quickly say that the probabilities of implementing the exact previously planned league and playoff system for HGL that I was mentioning yesterday (?) haven't really changed, so most likely we'll stick with the original plan as far as the amount of teams included to post season play is concerned.
Like I mentioned, in Finnish ice hockey league they have exactly 16 teams playing in a league, of which 12 proceeds to postseason play, just like in HGL.
In Swedish 'premier' hockey league, SHL, it's a bit different story with 6 best teams receiving an automatic place to second round of playoff, and only 4 teams (placed 7th-10th) are going through the first round of playoff, of which 2 will accompany those 6 teams in the second round of playoffs.
Again, with 16 teams in HGL this wouldn't work (better than the current system) as we would then have to include less teams (which is somewhat questionable).

Only workaround that I could come up with by quickly thinking it over, should it be necessary to include two more teams to postseason play (from 12 to 14, which I'm not sure at all if it's necessary, as 75% is quite a nice amount already), is that if we would give a bye for two best teams of regular season only to second round of playoffs, and then the rest 12 teams would play for 6 remaining spots on the second round of playoffs. Unless I have an error in my thinking, that would reduce the number correctly till the end, and include 14 teams to postseason play. However, with this system there would be couple of more likely very clear results/massive wins in the first round of playoffs, compared to system used now, so that's definitely a big downside of it (while, having said that, I love these surprise results in sports, but with current system they are a bit more probable to actually happen!).
For instance, the extremities in current HGL league system in 1st round of PO: #5vs12, and 6vs12.
In new system (including 14 teams) would be: #3vs14, and 4vs13.

I have a question, maybe stupid, but...

I don't understand the "problem" while the time of the games.

Imagine...

i want to create a game against ANY team, from ANYwhere.
I can create it today for April the 5th at 21h00 MYTIME

Since my opponent has one month to put his lineup, where is the problem ?
With the exception of somebody wanting to watch it live, I don't see other problem.

Please answer for what I don't understand.

I'm not sure I understood all your points totally 100%, but I've tried to give my points in those two aforementioned messages. Having a month time to set up a lineup is not the problem (with this fixed match time issue). Speaking of which, has anyone have knowledge about what T-Lit brought into light yesterday(?), that can we arrange all PU matches at once or is there some limit on how many can be arranged at once?

My main point was this:

Also, having a fixed time for match would also create a routine/standard for the league, and very/most importantly, would make it impossible to make a rematch if some managers would be into it, for, let me just say, for "various reasons"

I think both aforementioned benefits are positive, and watching game "live" isn't necessarily something that couldn't be sacrificed here, because as MrJ mentioned as it can be watched as a reply without spoiling the result (unless of course you read Official Threads before you watch your match, but that's the same with any sports and exposure to HGL results are much easier to avoid than any major sports in "real life").

But if "various reasons" in my previous message needs to be opened further, it also means that it completely removes/eliminates the possibility/temptation from managers to arrange a re-match should they be "unhappy" with the match result. (If you want me to open up what I mean by 'unhappy', let me know). Therefore, it ensures the fairness for all. There is only something to win here when we ensure this by certain practices (such as a fixed time for matches), and I think ensuring such things should be in core of practically almost all essential decisions on league rules/structure.

We are arranging (if possible?) all regular season matches in one time window, but as you can remember, there is no way for me to verify they are actually organized. (And no, as for now I don't want this to go into direction of sending screenshots to prove things). Theoretically two managers could play match, say 2, or why not 10+ times within one day if they have enough tokens and they'd agree to do so, and post a result they wish to post. With a clearly set/fixed time this would not be possible, so this should be good enough reason in itself.

We can always say that 'oh, we just need to trust', but I think it's also very beneficial and sensible to create a clear system which we'll follow, and fixed time for match would be just that. And in a fixed time for matches-system we'd then likely use the standard times year around (as applying Daylight Savings Times vary from country to country, and HGL match organizing window could overlap the change to DST - for example in Finland now matches start at 3.30PM due to daylight savings time differences to US if I remember it correctly, while they normally always start at 4.30PM).

I agree, demars.

I don't think a set time is necessary for two reasons:

1. As demars just noted, we are setting the matches so far ahead that the start time is irrelevant.
2. (also addresses demars's comment re watching it live) Even if a team wants to watch their game live, and can't because the time isn't helpful, they can always watch the replay.

So, while I will agree to a set time if that is what everyone wants, I actually think it doesn't matter.

As far as I see it now, I think it does matter/have a meaning to have a set/defined time for matches. I actually addressed these same things in my post to demars, here: (324689.504). Also mentioning it in my HGL Scores thread post shortly (but in more thorough manner in discussions of this thread).