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The team above you was relegated from Division IV. So you should view that team as really a Division IV team. But as long as you do well in your league, you will be promoted at the end of the season. You won't actually have to win the league just have a very good record and you will get promoted due to Division IV bots needing to be replaced.

i have an advanced trainer with 6 trainees. (5 are 19yr, 1 20yr old) i am doing guards training. most of my guards will get to proficient in all 6 main skills by the end of this season. when should i upgrade to an superior trainer? this is only my 2nd season and i have spent all of my revenues on arena thus far. i can sell my top SG (not a trainee) for a 1 mil and upgrade. but when?

I would say to keep the advanced trainer. Don't upgrade to superior, it costs a lot of money and isn't that much better. Spend the extra money you have on expanding your arena more in preparation for advancing to higher leagues.

I wouldn't upgrade yet on your trainer unless you can find a good deal on one with a low salary. As for selling your SG that would be on you man and what your plans are. If you are about done training the guards and ready to start on big men then you might sale before the end of the season so you have cash to buy another big trainee. But if you are going to train another year i don't know it is hard to say.

Your arena is already as big or bigger than most of the people in the Div 3 league I am in. But if you are selling out and have your prices about as high as you want already you might want to expand more, bigger means the possibility of more cash.

Just make sure you have the money to buy an extra trainee or 2 when you get ready to switch positions.


Rusty

Last edited by RussBass at 4/24/2010 7:46:06 PM

With a world-renowned trainer you're looking at an average of 1 to 1.5 more pops a season than an exceptional trainer.

I played with numbers a bit and I believe world-renowned trainer isn't worth it. And 1 to 1.5 more pops per season? That's a lot.

Let's say you are training OD on 18y old, 188cm player (let's ignore the elastic effect for now). He trains with speed of 0.6 skills/training with Lvl6 trainer. If he starts from 1 (atrocious), he gets 8.4 skills, or 8 pops with 0.4 sublevel in 14 weeks (entire season).

In order to get 9.4 skills (+ 1 pop), world-renowned trainer must train 12% faster than Lvl6.
In order to get 9.9 skills (+ 1.5 pop), world renowned trainer must train 18% faster than Lvl6.

1 to 1.5 more pops means 12% - 18% of speed, or 15% in average.

Do you want to tell me that Lvl 6 trainer trains on 85% speed of Lvl 7 trainer? I really don't believe it, because that's a lot.

Polh received 38 pops in first three seasons. Half of those were done with Lvl 5 trainer, and the other half with Lvl 6. I don't think he'd get 3 - 4.5 more pops with Lvl 7 trainer. Also if I remember correctly, JosefK somehow managed to calculate the difference between Lvl 6 and Lvl 7 trainer, and said it should be around 2%.

Now 2%...that's far from 15%. Maybe it's more than 2%, but I don't believe it's anywhere near 10%. If it was, it would favor rich teams immensely.

EIDT: Sorry if I took 2 years to reply...

Last edited by Koperboy at 10/8/2012 9:38:21 AM

since this thread has been necro'd just a little bit, i'll ask a few more questions. Keep in mind i'm a guy that really masters the art of the TL, i know next to nothing about the training regimens other than how to get 3 trainees into 1 position training and 6 into 2.

1) Lets assume that at most the world-renowned trainer gets no more than 3.5-4% better in the best case scenario. Why would even a NT need someone that good to train up NT team players? For that little a gap, i'd think a level 6 trainer is the highest anyone would ever need to go to get someone worthy.

2) Just briefly i've looked at some D.I teams across a few countries, and the highest salary i'm really seeing is 250k on a HOF, and 150k on a superstar. Thats on the low end of both caps, and none of them are capped. The fluxuations between the top and bottom seem reliant on training certain salary-hogging skills more than a potential trainer level change. This still holds true across national teams. So i have serious doubts that a NT is going to be make-or-break on the perhaps 2 or 3 pops he might get with a top end trainer. Am i flawed in this thinking?

Well, each pop counts in a close game. With trainer lvl 5 or lower you might not even finish a player, especially a SF or PF. These days players receive a lot of out-of-position training to get secondary skills and since height and age seriously hamper the training, Lvl 6 or 7 trainer is a must.

If your player reaches desirable skills quicker, you get more playing time from him as a finished player and you can also start with another trainee sooner.

So those players with "only" 250k as a HoF might be capped anyway because of secondary skills that don't add up to salary.

Take a look at two of my players, Anžic and Navršnik. One has 13k salary, the other 123k. But there's only 3 skillpoints of difference between them.

Dreaming rookies screw up the prices. Just like in Poker you can't scare novices with a raise, there's no point bidding against a rookie with some hot cash. They screw up their teams it doesn't matter.
There should be some incubation period before a rookie joins the main TL.

I make an effort to BB-mail the guys coming into the league on the USA side. I feel that even if 10% of those guys stay active, me giving them what the common mistakes a new GM makes help them avoid the big mistake that a lot of guys make.