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So you are trying to say it's me?

See, you did mention before about convincing people, but you don't seem to able to convince much, or maybe the timing is not for you. well this is the time, hope you will have better luck in convincing them.

Aw, that sad life in such school. But well, better future ahead. good luck!
when did i say i'm afraid of pressure, what make you think that way? maybe you could just sop anyhow thinking, though i know, you are bored. it's not good for health

All i do care is, if U21 would grow stronger and better till the time when ben is back. So regardless who become the manager, i'm fine with it, as long as they can bring SG U21 to another stage.

Last edited by Audi* at 5/18/2012 2:51:25 AM

Sorry to the three of you and others who have been reading this forum. Job quite busy these two days so didn't have time to reply. But I got the feeling that this election starts to go the wrong way. As I have always said, the key factors are always experience (both individual team and nation level), game knowledge, vision , passion and perhaps also how to revive the shrinking SGP community. It's quite pointless arguing about small things and the other guy has to fight back...

And to Terfu, I see you got no competition again in Malaysia. Maybe that's because you've done a great job and everybody is satisfied. But after all, this is an SGP election, you may have stepped a little bit too far, though I thank you for your insightful sharing.

Sorry there have been so many posts these few days and everybody seems to refer to a little bit of the same thing, so I just share some of my opinions and not quote anyone.

What what I want to talk about is training

I said long time ago in the [U21 season 19] post that a practical preoblem which always exists is the conflict between own team benefit and U21 benefit. I think some of you have also mentioned this point previously, but lemme elaborate and share what I saw in the past.

Situation 1: A "green" team (probably 1 in II.1 -II.4) gets a great draftee. We approach him, ask him to train, tell him how to train, keep monitoring, and that's all. This situation is common and easy to manage. They know little about the game and training. Do not really have a team plan. No pressure for result. They probably will train. What we need to do is to explain everything patiently and clearly to make sure they do not train wrongly.

Situation 2: A "training" team gets another trainee, but the training plan conflicts (say 1 centre and 1 PG, or 2 PGs but with big difference in skill set). Ask them to keep the better ones or the positions that they need more, then the other trainees. End up some trainees going overseas, but past experience show that these players do get trained. Sabotage is quite rare I think. (Just imagine if you buy an ordinary pallstar $3XXX trainee and you get bbmail from scout every week, will you feel shocked and sorry?) After all, this situation is not bad

Situation 3: A "competitive" team in a "competitive" league gets a great draftee. Unless the team says "oh this draftee is great! I will do nothing from now on except training. Perhaps I'll buy 1 and 2 more to train together, we'll be in trouble. Like Audi and STN have mentioned, you can't blame them to put own team interest first. Probably they need to get a few pops from their star players and need to train them for a season, and the 18yo simply don't fit in the plan. Even if they can train, they mostly can only train 1 and probably can't train in a way that you'd like. So? Ask them to sell, and go overseas again... SGP really don't have many teams out there ready for a new trainee anytime.

Conclusion: When we talk about U21, it's all about "human resources". You need those a dozen good talents to realize their potential so as to get good result for the U21 and NT. so U21 manager has to place the benefit of the trainees at the first place. You need to "fight" for the trainees. It's easy for situation 1 because U21 interest fits own team interest. But how about situation 3? And an excellent SGP player may end up serving a foreign club forever. But this is still better than a young prospect being wasted. The role of U21 manager is quite passive. We often talk about how would we train a player but to realize that is difficult. Relentless effort, sincerity, good interactive skills are essential and my strengths.

No LA in HK. We use traditional chinese in HK and those in mainland China use simplified chinese. All along those few China LA are responsible for translating traditional chinese as well.

Situation 1: A "green" team (probably 1 in II.1 -II.4) gets a great draftee. We approach him, ask him to train, tell him how to train, keep monitoring, and that's all. This situation is common and easy to manage. They know little about the game and training. Do not really have a team plan. No pressure for result. They probably will train. What we need to do is to explain everything patiently and clearly to make sure they do not train wrongly.

Situation 2: A "training" team gets another trainee, but the training plan conflicts (say 1 centre and 1 PG, or 2 PGs but with big difference in skill set). Ask them to keep the better ones or the positions that they need more, then the other trainees. End up some trainees going overseas, but past experience show that these players do get trained. Sabotage is quite rare I think. (Just imagine if you buy an ordinary pallstar $3XXX trainee and you get bbmail from scout every week, will you feel shocked and sorry?) After all, this situation is not bad

Situation 3: A "competitive" team in a "competitive" league gets a great draftee. Unless the team says "oh this draftee is great! I will do nothing from now on except training. Perhaps I'll buy 1 and 2 more to train together, we'll be in trouble. Like Audi and STN have mentioned, you can't blame them to put own team interest first. Probably they need to get a few pops from their star players and need to train them for a season, and the 18yo simply don't fit in the plan. Even if they can train, they mostly can only train 1 and probably can't train in a way that you'd like. So? Ask them to sell, and go overseas again... SGP really don't have many teams out there ready for a new trainee anytime.

ီDear NT,
Really great job you did it. I really like this post. I hope you will advice for trainer also. I think advance lvl trainer will be not too good, must need at least superior lvl trainer but the trainer will be quite expensive. So... one thing we must need to care about this. Just for suggestion. Good luck bro. Whatever result I also need your help. I thinking for Singapore is I cannot do it alone, we must need to do together.

I agree that trainer is another concern. A lvl 5 trainer with salary about $30000 cost you about $300, 000, depending on the time and whether you are lucky or not. Is it expensive? I would say it's actually affordable and worth it. Only I always suggest to owner that good training is the foundation of a good team and ask them to spend quite a lot of money on trainer and buying 1-2 quality trainee to train, to maximize the value of the trainer, even if sometimes the trainees may not come from SGP. And persuade them result will soon come along. But we all know the salary of trainer increase quite fast. Probably after 2 seasons you cannot afford the original trainer anymore and need to buy a new one. I understand the different situations in different team, so as long as they are willing to train, I accept lvl 4 trainer but always recommand lvl 5.

Bro, nice reply. I wanna talk about your team Red Red Rose. Do you have any plan for this season and also future plan? What is your target? I mean you wanna play in HK biggest league? Or you wanna train one of the talent for HK? Or both of these, Or so many things what you want? But you need a time.

First thing do you have any training plan for this season? Who will be your trainee? Do you want to buy under 21 talent roster again and train again? this is depend on you. Important thing the training is for what you want? I mean you train the trainee for your team ( he will be played all the way for your team ) so you used a bit of your money for your training plan. May be you train the trainee for money ( you find cheap and good condition trainee and after that sell for profit ). May be you wanna help for your National Team? all are depend on you. Actually that questions for all.

The problem in SG is most of the team manager are train the trainee for NT. And then they train very well. The trainee also upgrade so fast. but some of the team have no balance for other. And no promote to high lvl also. But the trainee salary is increase by increase each season. After that cannot keep their trainee because of economy. So they will sold the trainee and train again new trainee. Do you think in this situation the team will be get profit or lost?

I know you help to SG a lot. I wanna say about one point of view only. So now I am thinking about i will cover for this problem in future for SG. I mean I will try to advice some team by BB-mail.

Remarks: Bro your some rosters are quite great. I think you must need to keep some roster for your team. And I hope you will try to promote your team this season. High league can find more money. And then If you cannot maintain in top in league don't be so sad. That is good chance to get talent roster. good luck bro...