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Hey, he was totally honorable mention

my top 10 NBA players right now
1. Lebron James
2. Derrick Rose
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Kevin Durant
5. Dwight Howard
6. Dwayne Wade
7. Chris Paul
8. Blake Griffin
9. Carmelo Anthony
10. Russell Westbrook

Deron Williams has played awful this season and so has Dirk Nowvistssakaskdxsak who is way overrated, jason terry helped that team out a lot more than he is given credit for.

Jus switch the 3 and 1 and take of westbrook. Then good to go

roy don't play anymore

roy don't play he retired

whoa der....... D-wade is first then kobe then lebron, hen Rose,the Kevin Love and most underrated big man i nt the league is Lamarcus Aldridge,then mont a ellis

what about monta ellis

The talking heads on tv seem to have confused everyone. Lemme drop some real knowledge. Rankings are as the players currently exist, not considering future potential past this season.

1. Dwight Howard - Arguably best defender EVER, and interior defense is ALWAYS underrated by casual fans. Also excellent on offense and rebounding.
2. Lebron James - Best offensive player in the game: very efficient offense on high usage and makes everyone around him better, also a top 2 perimeter defender and the most versatile player in the game.
3. Dwayne Wade - Shoots a high percentage on high usage, excellent passer and excellent defender.
4. Chris Paul - Nobody in the history of the league has been as good a passer as CP3 while making as few turnovers, also can take over games with his shooting/shot creation and an excellent defender.
5. Kevin Durant - Second best offensive player in the game but sometimes lacks vision and still makes too many mistakes on defense.
6. Pau Gasol - Very efficient scorer who gets robbed of opportunities so Kobe can take more contested 20 foot Js, also way underrated on defense.
7. Derrick Rose - Didn't deserve MVP last season but has shown impressively consistent improvement at just about everything.
8. Kevin Love - At 23 has already shown himself to be one of the best rebounders of all time while also being a top tier offensive player. If only he was better on defense...
9. Dirk Nowitzki - Nearly unstoppable highly efficient offense, decent defense.
10. Steve Nash - Nobody (not even cp3) makes his teammates better on offense than Steve Nash; consistently in top 5 of adjusted +/- numbers. Too bad his defense sucks.



Not making the list:

Kobe Bryant - He's using a ridiculous 40% of his team's possession this year despite scoring 10-20 points less per hundred possessions than either Gasol or Bynum, effectively robbing points from his team. Overrated defender. Also hurts his team in the clutch, despite what people think: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time

Carmelo Anthony - Another player who forces shots and is not an efficient shooter, taking shots away from more efficient scorers on his teams. Just look at how much better Denver's offense was last season after trading him. Also an absolutely terrible defender, which is a big mark against him. Not a top 30 player.

How are you ganna have gasol or nash on ur list and not kobe or carmelo anthony. Pau is soft as h, and nash is no longer god, he's just getting old and have a few years left. kobe is the best player rite now as I type.

PPG is meaningless because the offense could run plays for other players to replace those points; what matters is how many shot attempts it takes to get those points. If a good player takes a ton of tough shots but misses most of them he is hurting his team a lot more than a terrible offensive player who knows his place and doesn't shoot, as long as there are other decent offensive players on his team.

There are other good offensive players on Kobe's team. Kobe's offensive efficiency is about the league average. If you spend any time watching him it is easy to see why: he takes a lot of long contested jumpers 2 point jumpers which he only makes at around ~40% which lowers his averages. Other players on Kobe's team could be taking these shots instead.

Because scoring is the best part of Kobe's game, there can be no justification for putting him in the same category as more efficient offensive players who score a similar amount of points per game with similar or worse teams. Kobe looks awesome when he plays and does some amazing things, but if you look at the actual results of his play it is obvious he is extremely overrated.

Nash is playing about as well as he ever has. There is a lot of precedent for really smart PGs having very good seasons into their later 30s (see: Stockton, John). He has a gigantic effect for every offense he plays for, which is very apparent from adjusted plus/minus (see: www.basketballvalue.com).

For Melo and Pau, read what I wrote earlier.

Just silly, cause we both know that Pau wouldn't have the same efficiency rate if he had as high of usage rate as Kobe.

Also Kobe actually shares the record for most first team all defense selections, with some guys named Garnett, Payton, and Jordan.

P.S. I almost stopped when you said Howard might be the greatest defender ever/ Paul is the greatest passer. 2nd one is more argueable than the 1st.