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207243.4 in reply to 207243.1
Date: 1/23/2012 10:01:30 PM
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if u r a gambler go with the 19 yo

generally 19yos are a waste of time but A+ guys are an exception as they are like a B grade 18 yo with a season of training already done

he could be a $7k superstar with all great outside skills ready to become a smoking sf or pf the sort of player that is worth millions on the tl with training

or he could be a $4k pallstar with all atrocious inside skills who cant be made into a forward and will train really slowly forever

the 18 yo will be ok for sure but not great also for sure

so the choice is certainly ok vs maybe rubbish but maybe a game changer

i would roll the dice on the 19yo

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Date: 1/23/2012 11:10:09 PM
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it would even though the box scores i dont trust a lot i hate fouling players

also the 18 had crazy stats which makes it more likely he is really good right now

& u will have little chance 2 get the 18 in the second round but the 19 maybe. lots of peeps dont scout 19s at all - hope they dont read this!

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Date: 1/24/2012 6:50:33 AM
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potential > age > salary > best position/height > boxscore

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Date: 1/24/2012 8:25:28 AM
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i like that it is a simple & elegant rule

but beware there r always exceptions 2 every rule

id rather draft & train a 19 superstar w $7k salary

than an 18 HoFer with $2k starting salary

i think if either potential or salary is too low it just becomes a veto

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Date: 1/24/2012 8:50:51 AM
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In fact I had in mind only that:
[(age) + (salary balls -1)] > [(age+1) + (salary balls)]

So (18yo + 1 salary ball) will be worse than tha (19yo + 5 salary balls).

But it's longer and therefore less elegant ;-)

However few things should be explained.
1st thing: Difference between A- and B+ is smaller than 1 full ball, it's something like 1/3 of full ball.
2nd thing: It is impossible to recognize whether player has 3,5k or 8k salary, because both of them have 5 salary balls (and A+ in detail). So difference between A and A+ (and even between A+ and A+ as well) could be even more than 3-4 balls of salary, despite the fact that we see the same number of balls.
3rd thing: There always exists risk that player with 5 salary balls is worse (has worse skills) than player with 4 salary balls.

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Date: 1/24/2012 9:31:15 AM
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Definitely the 18 year old.

The 19 yr old has already missed his best/fastest year of training and he can't get that back. Get 10-13 pops out of your 18 year old over the next season and then theres absolutely no comparison, by age 19 he'll be light years better then the other guy at age 19.

Subsequently, it's going to be very difficult for the 19 yr old to ever reach his full potential having missed his age 18 yr of training. So having slightly beter potential becomes a non-factor.

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Date: 1/24/2012 9:40:50 AM
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Definitely the 18 year old.

The 19 yr old has already missed his best/fastest year of training and he can't get that back. Get 10-13 pops out of your 18 year old over the next season and then theres absolutely no comparison, by age 19 he'll be light years better then the other guy at age 19.

Subsequently, it's going to be very difficult for the 19 yr old to ever reach his full potential having missed his age 18 yr of training. So having slightly beter potential becomes a non-factor.


yes with 19 he would be better, but hey he already have a lot of training ;) And the 19 yo would be just sligthly better then the 20yo with the same amount of training and same starting skills. I think it is close betwen them, since potential is valued on the transfermarket and you definately can reach the limit of a four ball potential player even with 19. And why i mention the transfer value, since i am not a big fan of drafting for need with the vague information you have, most likelyy he won't fit and you sell him to buy a player who fit in your scheme(and if you draft for need, the answer is easy did he train big or small guys?).

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Date: 1/24/2012 5:19:10 PM
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for value?

sorry a $4k allstar 18 yo & a $3.5k superstar 19 yo are both worth practically nothing unless they have miraculous secondaries

but u r right there is no issue training a 19yo to superstar potential

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Date: 1/24/2012 6:14:47 PM
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They are both A+ players though so they should both be 5k-5.5k player salaries or higher correct?

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Date: 1/25/2012 1:20:58 AM
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This season the A+ I drafted was 4.5k. But yeah they can go as high up to 8k like this guy here(22089977)

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