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From: iwen

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Date: 6/5/2010 8:23:05 PM
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I have a big who started as a C, who I've been converting to a SF ever since.

Age 21, Height 6'8"

Jump Shot: proficient Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: prominent ↑ Handling: proficient
Driving: mediocre Passing: average
Inside Shot: sensational Inside Def.: wondrous
Rebounding: prominent Shot Blocking: mediocre
Stamina: pitiful Free Throw: average

Those are his stats right now, he started off with Inept OD, and Awful JS, so for me to get him to that level took a lot of sacrifice (like tanking a whole season in Div II just to train him at PG. By the time he's 23, he should be Wondrous OD, and high levels 10+ in passing and JS. He won't be a finished product until he's 25 though, so it is a lot of investment.

As for training pops, I get 1 OD pop every 3 weeks. Which I'm happy with.

From: GC 30

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Date: 6/5/2010 9:22:06 PM
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I'd make him a PF,just train JS and passing and your player will be really good,if he has a good potential

I'd not train OD and JR because it would take too much time,and would turn your future top PF into a just fine SF

I have a 6' 10'' SF and it's really hard to train OD and JR (4 weeks),I dont know if other managers agree but I think PA is not that slow,my big got pop every 2 or 3 weeks depending on sublevels

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Date: 6/5/2010 10:54:29 PM
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Another factor is this - Bigs get expensive fast, but, if I convert him to a SF via guard training, I don't decimate my economy with a ridiculously overpaid center. I've got two other bigs a bit better than he is, so I figure I can get away with experimenting a bit. Do you all who train pressure/OD do 1 or 2 position training? Is it still about 4 weeks between pops even with 1 position training?

From: JohnnyB

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Date: 6/6/2010 12:46:23 PM
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The best bet with him is to make him a PF. 6-7 OD, would be enough, JS 11-12, JR 3-4, and his inside skills as much as you can get. While you will not be able to afford his salary, his transfer price would hit limit up...His passing is more than enough as a big man for my taste

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Date: 6/7/2010 6:20:44 AM
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Yes maybe it was hyperbole after all. I needed 3 seasons to take my 6'5 player his ID from 5 to 9 (not always 1 position though), so yes you are right...

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145838.10 in reply to 145838.5
Date: 6/7/2010 6:29:30 AM
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Height doesn't influence the passing pop!

With 19 years old you could get a pop in passing every 2 weeks

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Date: 6/7/2010 12:02:45 PM
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That interesting... I am of the opinion that when you are competing in higher leagues, the secondary skills become increasingly important as they can become exposed more easily. For example, a C/PF with poor OD and poor passing, handling seems to be more foul and turnover prone.

For example, on Satuday, I played (22917). He's got a 109k center, but I theorized (with the advice of another team who beat him earlier in the season,) that Princeton or an Outside oriented offense could get him in foul trouble. Lo and behold, he picked up two quickies in the first, and a third midway throught the second. Now, that being said, he didn't pick up any more in the second half (coaching adjustments in the GE, I imagine).

All that to say - do secondary skills play a more important role in higher leagues, and if this is in fact true, would it not make sense to train your bigs secondary skills (or your guards inside skills, we all know how irritating it is for those guards to miss open layups...)? Wouldn't the recent change of being able to individually assign players defensive positions support and encourage secondary skill training? After all, I can play my 7 footer at PG on offense to get training minutes but drop him to the PF/C position on defense.

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145838.12 in reply to 145838.11
Date: 6/7/2010 12:04:33 PM
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I think secondary skills are very important. I am currently training an 18 year old power forward and am just hammering the guard skills for now.

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Date: 6/7/2010 2:18:55 PM
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I've had a similar felling with passing too,but I think maybe it trains a bit slower

the really painfull skills for big guys are for sure OD and JR,I have a felling with my training experiences that JS and PA train a litlle bit slower but they're for sure great skills to train for a big guy

before anyone says anything I used the term felling,cause as anyone of you i dont know it for sure

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145838.14 in reply to 145838.12
Date: 6/7/2010 3:02:26 PM
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Naker--- Hope you don't mind this question: What's his height and how slow going is the training?

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