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300020.39 in reply to 300020.38
Date: 6/14/2019 5:11:21 PM
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0 titles, 0 cups, 1 runner up, 0 players trained and yet he still talks. What did they feed you as a baby? Seems to have long lasting effects.

If you want a challenge try to train 3 18yos single position (no dumping 2 trainees in the scrimmage) in D1 and see if you can stay up. Or train 400k salary out of position and see if you can stay up. What's the challenge in stockpiling cash and assets, without even winning anything?

But the difference is not enough to be appreciable without a sensitive study.
Why are you talking if you don't know? Do you even know why you chose a lvl 3 doctor or you're just winging it because you know you're not able to successfully do anything other than trading anyway?

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Date: 6/14/2019 7:07:32 PM
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I feel a lot insecurity coming from you mr. no training and no titles.

No. I can't.
Really? i'm heartbroken.

disastrous managers from micronations that can't manage resources in a nearly proper way
lol yeah I wish I was one of those who think they manage their resources properly, don't train and still win nothing. Is there anything more sad? I'd probably just quit if I was that guy.

you should be happy winning against bots.
we have a D3 with human managers, didn't expect you to be able to count so no worries.

without any real purpose
There is a purpose, winning the easy way does not become harder just because you personally can't do it. I'm only happy to compete by stacking the odds against myself. You should try it, you are not winning anything anyway so you might as well make the game more interesting.

You can train now, can't you?
I can and I do of course. I trained every single season I played this game, so mostly in D1. I know it's hard to comprehend for someone who didn't train even in D4 lol. All I can say is try, you will see it's more interesting than just making money via trading and tanking and then buying your way to a title. This has been done multiple times even in the BBB. There is nothing hard about it in any league.

I know because I am not as ignorant about statistics as you are. When you lack precision in your data, you need a big dataset. Not just your biased impressions about your own team.
Do you know what data I have collected and what discussions I've had about this in the past? Wow, it's not just the inability to count and do anything meaningful with the time you spend in the game, you also have other issues.
You do realise injuries can be tracked for all teams and players now right? Right? And I don't mean just the fact that all the information about doctors is available in the player page and, even if you are lazy, NT Scout gives you information about injuries, so there is no guessing anything anymore. This is all data that can be very easily scraped from players' pages. Comprende? If you understand, come back when you have done your due diligence and finally know something.

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Date: 6/15/2019 6:14:58 AM
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Eh, your ignorance and incompetence is exposed and that is your comeback!? Weak. And very sad.

If you need help in d4 against people whose only goal is training, there is a mentoring thread for people like you. In any case, considering your ineptitude at anything other than putting the time in and trading, I'd suggest just running a lot more salary than anyone else and bot promoting.

For the bigger problem, your inability to count, I suggest you try a school. I'm sure they can help people with special needs to process 170-(16*5).

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300020.45 in reply to 300020.44
Date: 6/15/2019 8:50:14 AM
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Oh my gosh. Stop. Please, both of you!

@Evaristo, this is embarrassing.

@Lemonshine - you're usually right about a lot of things on here. But you also come across as a dick. Basically, someone I wouldn't really want to be friends with in real life.

Entertaining as this little spat has been, can we go back on topic please? I mean, injuries suck when you get them, but I think they're for the better of the game.

And I've run a level 1 doctor for years. Doctors are not worth the money you spend on them, that's my argument. Fight me. Or honestly, don't, I don't want to get involved in a squabble. I'll throw my opinion out there, and go back to lurking okay ...

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Date: 6/15/2019 1:33:10 PM
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What is exposed is your incompetence to maintain a debate.
Not my fault, you came in, contributed nothing, then lost every single line of this little talk and now you're whining about it lol.

next time I'd rather answer to that Japanese guy
that guy knows 100 times more than you about this game. You are out of your depth here, just go back to the spanish forums or d4 where you, as someone who can't compete without training, seem to stuck.

But if you are happy beating bots
At least you admit one of us is beating something. I have played fewer bots than you have in your career as a BB manager, but we already established you cannot count, you don't need to repeat the same stupid concept.

paying level 7 staff
more incorrect assumptions. Can't you get one right even by chance? just one, man.

and if you think you win a debate with only ad-hominem attacks,
cry me a river, stop whining and grow a pair will ya? Saying that you are incompetent, ignorant and cannot count is not an ad hominem, it's just stating facts.

Pity ignorant and incompetent people
You seem confused, we had already established you are the ignorant and incompetent here. Weak unoriginal try, very weak

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I mean, injuries suck when you get them, but I think they're for the better of the game.
Most people agree, just look at that poll. And I'm in favour of returning to 5 weeks injuries (mitigated by higher level staff, so that if you have a lvl 7 you really shouldn't get over 1 week) although 8 weeks as Joey Ka mentioned seems excessive (but I'm not opposed as long as higher doctor levels cap the maximum length of an injury at lower values)

I mean, injuries suck when you get them, but I think they're for the better of the game.
I need to collect more data, but it looks Marin may have done something secretly as there have not been 5 weeks injuries that I could see in quite a while on NT Scout and the last official information I can remember from staff on injuries was that 5 weeks is the maximum and doctor level does not affect length. That was Perpete and Jason I believe. I will get all the data available on injuries suffered by players who are still active, maybe I just haven't come across one recently being nominally over 3 weeks. Something may have been changed a couple of years ago when they included injury data in the player history page. Also remember that years ago most users believed based on empirical evidence that 1 week injuries basically lasted a minimum of 7 days and a maximum of 13, while more recently there have been cases of injuries lasting only 4 or 5 days.

Official claim from staff is that doctors only influence the likelihood of an injury happening and becoming permanent, but not the length, but even then it's not advisable to increase the risk of injury to high salary players, high potential trainees or to any rotation player early in the season (because you will take a huge hit to GS). Of the three staff members, assuming you don't train and have high salary players, doctors are the only ones that make sense paying as insurance, the other 2 staff you should pay less than $100/week.

I already have overwhelming evidence that injuries with a lvl 1 doctor are a lot more frequent than with higher levels, but as I said i will extract all the data possible and show it with numbers.

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Date: 6/19/2019 4:36:22 AM
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If 5 weeks injuries still existed (and it seems they don't anymore) would you feel the same way?

A long time ago, another manager had a 5 week injury to a 120k+ player in the EBBL and he told me he didn't have a low level doctor (could not verify this though, as at the time it wasn't possible, so I can't say for sure).

In European leagues there are currently 13 - 3 week injuries; 424 - 2 week injuries (or 3 week that reduced) and 1291 - 1 week injuries. Now imagine these 1700 injuries were spread over 5 weeks instead of 3: now suddenly instead of 13 3 week injuries you have 200 and it's not just a remote possibility anymore.

It does seem Marin changed stuff without announcing anything and that injuries are now shorter thereby reducing how useful the doctor is. It looks as if 1 and 2 weeks injuries are now well over 90% of the cases with 1 week more likely than 2 weeks.

In any case, I did say it may make sense to go low level if you don't have NT/very high salary players and/or high potential trainees. If you have a NT player or 200k salary player and he goes down, then you are paying 200k-250k salary (and missed merch) for nothing. That's equivalent to paying an advanced doctor instead of a minimum one for 20 weeks.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 6/19/2019 5:16:25 AM

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