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From: Wagner

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324689.376 in reply to 324689.373
Date: 3/9/2025 4:32:29 PM
Wagner College
II.2
Overall Posts Rated:
207207
Thank you for your vote, WiMaOl!

Also, please vote for the league name from list above (provided by MrJ) if you have a favorite from the above list!
Same goes with other participating managers, so please vote for name, so we can get the new forum thread for the league started soon!
(For those who didn't read through all the long posts and wonder what's the rush: want to include league name in the title, as title can't be changed later on).

It is possible to do the ground work without having established the forum thread, and as we're not going to try to convince anyone else to join for the first season of the league, in that sense we are not in a terrible rush to publish/establish the thread - having said that, it's good to do most of the writing and planning of intro post content and links provided in it (and such) during this time we're waiting for league name results. And like mentioned, I've already written a lot of it.

A word/though about polls, especially considering homegrown league. This was something that I didn't think of earlier for some reason.
As background info, I think I've never started a poll (and can't do so now being non-Supporter), so I have a question.
I'd assume it's not possible to determine who is eligible to vote in that poll?
If controlling of that (by person who started the poll) isn't possible, then I guess those official polls do not work optimally for our purposes, as I´d assume we want to ask opinions of managers who are participating to the league (and maybe in some cases, opinions of those who are granted a spot to the league for the future seasons), and not from a "random bunch" of managers (which could be the case with an open, official BB poll as we don't see who has given those votes).

It is of course not so easy to see current results of voting when voting is done within forum thread (like this one), but maybe we could take a habit of writing a forum post, which we then update as voting progresses and more votes are casted. The problem with this of course is, that it's always left behind by new posts, and will become increasingly hard to find.

I'll just add the current score here though, not in a separate post (if someone wants to create such post, they are of course free to do so). I won't make assumptions who will vote for what, so it's only actual votes given so far that are counted here.
Remember, there are 14 possible votes (if we allow only voting by current participants), and only 2 have been cast so far, so please vote if you still haven't done so. Name is such an important part of the league (and in short so undesirable to change later on), that I would encourage everyone of us 14 to voice their opinion on this naming of the league-voting.

As there are so few of us voting (and it's possible that not all people even vote, even though we'd really hope you will!), one option of course, if we want to add a variety to the name voting, is to give one manager 2-3 votes instead of one.

For instance: with 2 voting possibilities, manager gets to cast 2 votes, first giving a favorite suggestion 2 points and second 1 point only to managers' second favorite option.
If voting with 3 possibilities, manager gets to cast 3 votes, first giving 3 points, second 2 points and 3rd 1 point to his 3rd favorite option.
That way we might be able to see a wider picture on how managers really think of these names.
This was just a random suggestion that occurred to me just a while ago, and on my behalf there is no need to implement this kind of method for this name voting, if you guys feel 1 vote per person provides good enough result!?

Current votes:
1 BBHG (BuzzerBeater HomeGrown) (Wagner)
0 The League (Wagner)
1 H²G²L (Heroic Home Grown GreatestS League) (demars)
0 IHGL (International HG League) (MrJ)
0 HGL (Hadar)


From: MrJ

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324689.377 in reply to 324689.376
Date: 3/9/2025 10:34:40 PM
Swan River Serpents
III.2
Overall Posts Rated:
340340
Second Team:
Westopian Tigers
My vote goes to Hadar's HGL.

Regarding the poll: you are correct that we cannot control who votes in the poll. Therefore, managers who are not HG or invested in it, could vote for the name that sounds the best to them. So, keeping a record like the one above, Wagner, seems the best solution as we really only want those managers interested and HG to be able to vote for its name imo.

Also, regarding editing the initial post of a new thread: yes, once you have started a new thread, the manager who started the thread is the ONLY manager who can edit that first post. So, let's put it altogether:

1. Decide on the name (keep the tally and once it's clear, it's done)
2. Wagner, you cans tart a new thread using the newly agreed name as its title
3. As Commissioner, Wagner, which has been determined now by enough votes, you can decide what goes into that first post and can edit it as you see fit.

What I have done in previous years, Wagner, knowing the first posts would be needed, was to put a 'TBA' (To Be Advised) label on the first post, or a couple posts after it, knowing they might need to be used specifically for the League.

For example, you start the new thread with a post about whatever. Then you quickly reply to that post (before anyone else does) and simply write TBA or maybe 'For future use' etc. You could do this with two or three posts immediately after the initial post. In this way, you may choose to have the first post as 'Information', the second post about 'League Game Results' etc etc. At least you then have options knowing you can't go back and add posts to the original.


Last edited by MrJ at 3/9/2025 10:35:45 PM

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: WiMaOl

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324689.378 in reply to 324689.376
Date: 3/10/2025 1:09:46 AM
WiMaOlCa
III.11
Overall Posts Rated:
132132
Second Team:
Vosges Cosmopolitans BC
Also, please vote for the league name from list above


HGL (Hadar)

From: Hadár
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Date: 3/10/2025 1:44:56 AM
Svätý Jur Snakers
Extraliga
Overall Posts Rated:
427427
My vote goes to Hadar's HGL

There is beauty in simplicity ;)

From: MrJ

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324689.380 in reply to 324689.379
Date: 3/10/2025 4:28:32 AM
Swan River Serpents
III.2
Overall Posts Rated:
340340
Second Team:
Westopian Tigers
Update...

1 BBHG (BuzzerBeater HomeGrown) (Wagner)
0 The League (Wagner)
1 H²G²L (Heroic Home Grown GreatestS League) (demars)
0 IHGL (International HG League) (MrJ)
3 HGL (Hadar)

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: Deano25

To: MrJ
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324689.381 in reply to 324689.380
Date: 3/10/2025 4:49:40 AM
Heywood Big Dogs
II.2
Overall Posts Rated:
180180
Second Team:
Heywood Lions
I like the simplicity of HGL too.

From: MrJ

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324689.382 in reply to 324689.381
Date: 3/10/2025 4:54:02 AM
Swan River Serpents
III.2
Overall Posts Rated:
340340
Second Team:
Westopian Tigers
I like the simplicity of HGL too.


Agreed.

And another vote comes in for simplicity. :-)

Updated:

1 BBHG (BuzzerBeater HomeGrown) (Wagner)
0 The League (Wagner)
1 H²G²L (Heroic Home Grown GreatestS League) (demars)
0 IHGL (International HG League) (MrJ)
4 HGL (Hadar)



@ Deano25...looking forward to a win against Malaysia tonight?

Last edited by MrJ at 3/10/2025 4:56:41 AM

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: Deano25

To: MrJ
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324689.383 in reply to 324689.382
Date: 3/10/2025 5:13:08 AM
Heywood Big Dogs
II.2
Overall Posts Rated:
180180
Second Team:
Heywood Lions
I’m hopeful, but we’ve under performed a little in recent weeks.. fingers crossed!

From: MrJ

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324689.384 in reply to 324689.383
Date: 3/10/2025 5:15:47 AM
Swan River Serpents
III.2
Overall Posts Rated:
340340
Second Team:
Westopian Tigers
I’m hopeful, but we’ve under performed a little in recent weeks.. fingers crossed!


Yeah. Your boy is in good shape. Good luck, mate.

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: Paul George

To: MrJ
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324689.385 in reply to 324689.382
Date: 3/10/2025 9:06:45 AM
Rajdersi
III.11
Overall Posts Rated:
5353
Second Team:
Rajdersi II
HGL

From: Wagner

To: MrJ
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324689.386 in reply to 324689.377
Date: 3/10/2025 9:36:54 AM
Wagner College
II.2
Overall Posts Rated:
207207

Regarding the poll: you are correct that we cannot control who votes in the poll.
[....] as we really only want those managers interested and HG to be able to vote for its name imo.

I totally agree with this, we need to restrict the voting right (at least in most, if not all cases) to managers who are participating to the league (or possibly in some cases, also to managers who have been granted a place at the league for the next season, which doesn't apply right now).


Also, regarding editing the initial post of a new thread: yes, once you have started a new thread, the manager who started the thread is the ONLY manager who can edit that first post. So, let's put it altogether:

1. Decide on the name (keep the tally and once it's clear, it's done)
2. Wagner, you cans tart a new thread using the newly agreed name as its title

Yes, I will start it on Global. But I'd like to ask first for the naming though, what do you guys think:

A) Should we use only the abbreviation, or rather tiltle like Homegrown League (***ABBREVIATION HERE***). People might not get the idea (and not so easily click the link) from the abbreviation alone?

B) Do you guys (still?) agree it's a good idea establish a new forum thread to Homegrown league for each and every season, as that's what I suggested earlier?
It can use the same intro texts, links and such, so it creates only little added work to create it for each season.

It would be done to ensure a lot easier searching of essential/interesting information. It would benefit homegrown managers, all possibly interested (in homegrown teams) managers, and league Commissioner.
It would provide easier searchability for non-Supporters especially - otherwise it might be best to stick with the same forum thread from season to season, but like mentioned, it would become a navigational nightmare like this Homegrown teams II-thread has become). For instance MrJ agreed earlier that's it's a good idea.

C) We probably should add to beginning or end (latter?) of title 'Season 1' (***OR SEASON 68***?), yes?

D) Should we add something else to the title, such as word 'Official thread of' (Homegrown League)?


3. As Commissioner, Wagner, which has been determined now by enough votes, you can decide what goes into that first post and can edit it as you see fit.

While not critical as it can be edited later (but it affects my design choices), do you think it's better for me to write all those articles from the scratch, or should/could I place some links to for instance MrJ's posts? (Post about League system, What is a homegrown team, etc., or does it look lame if there are such links to forum posts instead of information presented in first few posts)?


What I have done in previous years, Wagner, knowing the first posts would be needed, was to put a 'TBA' (To Be Advised) label on the first post, or a couple posts after it, knowing they might need to be used specifically for the League.

For example, you start the new thread with a post about whatever. Then you quickly reply to that post (before anyone else does) and simply write TBA or maybe 'For future use' etc. You could do this with two or three posts immediately after the initial post. In this way, you may choose to have the first post as 'Information', the second post about 'League Game Results' etc etc. At least you then have options knowing you can't go back and add posts to the original.

This is very good advice indeed - that's definitely something worth doing. While it's obvious, I didn't come to think of it's importance as I have such a little experience on starting forum threads, especially the ones that benefit a lot from certain kind of structure - I appreciate that 'pro tip'! (+1)

So anyone reading this, when you see the post for the new league being created by me, please don't comment to it before you´ll see intro plus 3-5 TBA posts from me![

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