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TIE (and enthusiasm in general) impacts a teams defense and rebounding.

Are you sure about this?

I have read many times to BB-Charles telling that TIE/CT affect to all kind of close decisions during the game, not only rebound and defense.
If understood well, one shot which is not clearly in or out of the basket (for the game engine this would be a numeric value), will more probably be in when you CT, and more probably out when you PIC. And something similar with rebounds, personal faults, turnovers, etc...

Are you sure about this?

No, clearly I just like to screw with people's heads.

::sigh::

I have read many times to BB-Charles telling that TIE/CT affect to all kind of close decisions during the game, not only rebound and defense.
If understood well, one shot which is not clearly in or out of the basket (for the game engine this would be a numeric value), will more probably be in when you CT, and more probably out when you PIC.

No.

And something similar with rebounds, personal faults, turnovers, etc...

Rebounding is directly affected by attitude, and fouls indirectly due to the reduction in defense.

TIE (and enthusiasm in general) impacts a teams defense and rebounding.

Also, using TIE or CT will not impact the visual match ratings.

This was true before the big game engine change two seasons ago (which took place during the All-star week). Then the CT/TIE was changed, and since then the effects of Enthusiasm and CT/TIE are of different nature. Enthusiasm simply affects the defense/rebounds ratings. CT/TIE does something different as explained by BB-Charles in the News when announcing those changes. They don't affect ratings after they discovered a bug at the end of season 4.

Anyway, you can think whatever you want. But baldovius was telling that CT/TIE affects the shot % and in your reply you state that TIE affects the teams defenses, which is in perfect agreement with what he said...

Anyway, you can think whatever you want. But baldovius was telling that CT/TIE affects the shot % and in your reply you state that TIE affects the teams defenses, which is in perfect agreement with what he said...

No, it is not.

The poster I responded to stated that:

When you tie you shooting percentage drops, and when you mots it rises

Please explain to me how a drop in defense causes the offense to shoot worse.

Should be "your", nevertheless.. that's what I get when I write in a hurry...

I still don't understand if the effect on rebounding is shown in the ratings. Also, the reduction/increase in the defensive skills, is shown or not? And if not, can you give us a rough value of this weight?

Should be "your", nevertheless.. that's what I get when I write in a hurry...

Bah, minor typo, I wouldn't worry about it.

I still don't understand if the effect on rebounding is shown in the ratings.

A CT or TIE will not change the ratings for rebounding or defense.

And if not, can you give us a rough value of this weight?

No idea - that's not something the BBs disclose.

CT or TIE doesn't have any effect on your ratings.

thanks to all 3 for the quick reply.

I completely agree with leomartins initial posts and complaints about enthusiasm. I always thought this was one of the weakest parts of Hattrick and unfortunatelly it has been even worse implemented in BuzzerBeater.

First of all I think it is a bad system for the reasons explained by leomartins. Secondly making things almost completelt hidden makes it very hard to understand the impacts of it for most users, not to speak about understanding how to usereally it in a proper way.

I would say that something like this would be much more logical and interesting:

TIE and win: Enthusiasm increases
TIE and loss by small margin: Enthusiasm decreases (the players know they should have won with a normal effort)
TIE and large loss: Enthusiasm stays the same

Normal and large win: Small enthusiasm increase
Normal and small win: Increase of enthusiasm (the players know they did perfect in the game)
Normal and loss: Small decrease of enthusiasm

CT and big win: Enthusiasm stays the same (the players felt that they put too much effort)
CT and small win: enthusiasm increases
CT and small loss: enthusiasm decrease
CT and large loss: large enthusiasm decrease

It probably needs some fine tuning, but I think that this is both more realistic and requires more coaching skills to dominate. Coaches that are good at predicting results can use this talent to build up enthusiasm, while coaches that are just gambling will be hurt on the long run.

Then of course the effects need to be visble in order to make it possible to analyse. Now when effects are not seen in the ratings it becomes quite difficult to understand. You will need to take a hugh amount of matches (to get enough data) and then compare things like actual shooting percentages with those expected from the matchup ratings and then correlate this with the chosen attitude. Even though this is doable, I do not think it is a good idea to have something like this for something as cruisal as enthusiasm/attitude as I am quite confident that very few managers will do this analysis, even less draw the right conclusions from it. Does it becomes a little bit of a lottery for most. As a comparison it seems that very few have control over the effects of free throw level, even though this is much easier to analse than enthusiasm/attidude effects.

Last edited by chespirito at 10/10/2008 5:56:45 PM