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162145.37 in reply to 162145.35
Date: 11/4/2010 7:09:02 AM
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I´m playing Princeton vers often. From my experience, it is a slow outside orientated offense that really needs high passing skills of your guards. I changed my PG from PS 14 to PS 8 and started training the new ones. Although I think every offense is mainly run through the passing skill of the PG, with Princeton it seems to be the main factor. With the training progress the offense works better now for my team, but it´s still a slow offense.
The big men need to have decent passing skills as well, and the PF can be a factor in outside shooting as well, but for my team the SG and especially the SF are the main contributors for the offense.
Either the SF or the PF (ideally both) should have superior outside skills as they can easily create mismatches. And Princeton seems to be the best choice to use those mismatches.

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162145.38 in reply to 162145.35
Date: 11/4/2010 7:42:00 PM
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From all the reading and individual discussions about Princeton, it was my understanding that the PF is key in this offense. From the game you have linked although BCT's PF had a rating of 17.5 !!! his scoring was 1/8 so I am wondering why that was so successful in this situation. My guess would be that the PF was not the best option so the ball was constantly shot from the outside without the PF's involvement because he only has 2 or 3 assists. Any comments would be welcome.

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162145.39 in reply to 162145.38
Date: 11/4/2010 8:44:16 PM
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Defense?

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162145.40 in reply to 162145.39
Date: 11/4/2010 9:58:23 PM
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Yes, he could have been successful on the defensive side but the discussion is about Princeton an offensive tactic and my question regards my previous understanding that the PF is heavily involved in the offense of the Princeton which in this example it does not seem to be the case.

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162145.41 in reply to 162145.40
Date: 11/4/2010 10:55:09 PM
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Sorry, I must have misunderstood you. It is difficult to follow all of the run-on sentences.

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162145.43 in reply to 162145.42
Date: 11/5/2010 6:33:07 PM
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The PF in that example is listed as a center which means his jump shot is not very high. A PF won't dominate in Princeton without a good JS (JR helps a lot too) just like a SG wouldn't dominate in run and gun without a jump shot. A PF is capable of dominating in Princeton but only with the right skill set, i.e., very high JS, good JR and BH, along with solid IS and RB. Jump shot is really the key skill here and if any team wants to get the most out of Princeton and exploit potential mismatches their PF needs a high jump shot. For a Division one team that could mean 14-15 JS and for a team of our caliber, i.e. Div 3 or 4, 10-12 would be needed.


I have to disagree. I have run Princeton quite a bit, and PF jump shot does not seem to play a big role. I used to try and play a SF with a jump shot of 17 (only 8 with inside shot) as a Pf in my private leagues figuring he would dominate from the outside, but I was always disappointed. My other PF with a JS of 10 seemed to do much better (but likely due to his much higher IS).

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162145.44 in reply to 162145.42
Date: 11/5/2010 9:06:16 PM
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Thank you for your reply. I agree with your analysis. In conversations I have had and through reading the forums that was my understanding as well. That was why I was questioning this particular game used as an example. In light of what BCT has just said, however, I think a closer look would be warranted. Thank you both for you insights.

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162145.45 in reply to 162145.44
Date: 11/5/2010 11:04:00 PM
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I don't think that there is any one formula for which players will do well in a particular offensive tactic. So much depends on matchups and defense that trying to single out which position will be most important is of marginal value, at best.

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
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162145.47 in reply to 162145.46
Date: 11/5/2010 11:17:17 PM
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According to JosefKa's tool, and when compared to Base Offense, the main skill that is amplified in Princeton is Passing, except for the PG, whose passing is less involved relative to the other positions. The Center and the SG have big increases in their passing involvement, the PF a medium one, and the Sf a small increase. The Handling skills of the PF and C are also more involved. Jump shot gets a slight increase across the board but JR actually is less important, according to the parrot.

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
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