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Date: 4/13/2016 9:55:05 AM
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And screw the other people who could enjoy BB in Scotland ? Let's have a country for 4 people.

You also can't ask a newcomer to pay right away to play in private leagues or Utopia. Buzzerbeater is mostly a free game. You need to enjoy it for some times before being willing to pay for something. Since, the newcomer will be in a micronations dominated by 4 teams, they will quickly lose interest in the game and leave, then the next newcomer will also be faced with the same problem lacking other small teams to play against. Thus, never reaching B3 since there "are only about 4 teams that can actually compete" or the willingness to pay to become Supporter and play private leagues.


I understand your point but I think you misunderstood mine. I was saying that there are only 4 teams than can win the league the other teams are then competing against each other for the other play-off spots so they do have something to play for. A couple of the teams in the play-off positions this season are some of the newer players in Scotland. Scotland only gets a new player about 1 in every 4 months because basketball isn't that popular here.

I agree with you over the paying for stuff bit though so I'll take that out my argument.

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That is just a one aspect of this game (almost every games), but people play games mainly to have fun and you can't have fun playing against bots or teams that are waay stronger than you.

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you can't have fun playing against bots or teams that are waay stronger than you.


that´s just your point of view ...... maybe some others are thinking different ;-)


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So you are saying the new-comers, who can't find a good competition, have to buy utopia if they want competitiveness(without actually playing the game competitively). This game is free, and BB-Ryan said that this was out of question.


newcomer usually will moan about this after 2-3 seasons of playing. and why it is a problem to afford 10 bucks per year?

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It is not a problem, rather a luxury. If you want to support BB, or want to get some additional features you can pay. Otherwise this is a FREE game.

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Why recalibrate the economic system, if we can merge nations right away?

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Date: 4/13/2016 11:27:52 AM
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OK don't go on announcing things as if you're a BB !! When was it decided and "CLEAR" that "some form of a merge" will happen ?

As it is clear, many users are completely against a merge.

Also I see many people here saying that new managers leave the game because there is no "competition". I have a friend who's Romanian and she plays basketball in real life just like I do. I introduced BB to her and she signed up. Then some days later I asked here how she was doing in game and I had told her before that she could come to me with any questions regarding the game. She told me that she didn't like the game and that it was too complicated. She didn't know what was going on and she quit playing after just a few logins. I tried to explain to her that once she gets past this starting stage, the game is really fun and enjoyable. But she didn't stay with the game. Now Romania has around 160 users, which is definitely not a micro nation. So obviously, competition was not a problem. And I wonder, if BB can't get a real basketball player to get hooked on the game, how can we expect to see any change by just merging some small countries. That's just absurd.

Some months ago I started a thread in global forum, exactly pointing to this problem. Many users here are saying that managers get bored with the game after some time because there is no competition, but I don't think that's the case. There I talked about how changes are needed. But all the BBs has come up with is a merge !! This is the thread that I started and actually a lot of managers here participated in that thread as well and we talked about what could be done:

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/community/forum/read.aspx?thread=273875&m=1

I'm not saying that what I said is true and should be done.I'm saying that many positive insights were talked about, at least in the thread that I started, which I am aware of. I'm just saying that many suggestions and threads have talked about ways that could help BB, but after all the talk, a merge is what they have been cooking !! Which is just disappointing.

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You keep missing one point. There is a huge talk of demotion due to lack of competition, true, and for those like you that feel the need to of a solution on this matter I'm all ears to good proposition that can assure you that.
It's worth noticing though that demotion might also come from the feeling of being powerless on the market or in staff bidwars, something that someone not involved in a big community cannot understand.

Reading here and there it seems that a lot of people is hiding behind a mask of nationalism, cozy community (of tankers) and other matters only to protect their DivI incomes. If you recalibrate the economic system you'll find them imploring for a merge.
I like the NTs because it offers more ways to enjoy the game. It is not pride, not nationalism, not racism. Just to be clear.

As to the Div I income. I will gladly merge. I will gladly start in Div III-IV, V or VI even. I want more opponents, and several layers of competition. I want the chance to prove myself in a bigger league. I want to play a dynamic game. I want to have choices in how I can adapt to my enviroment.

No matter how I play now, even if I should succeed (against all odds) in my own country, I will always hear that it is only because I get to tank and earn lots of money. Guess what. So does all the other teams in my nation. It is those I am playing against, not the macro nation team that I just beat in a bid war (hypothetically).

Tanking is the only way to attempt to close the enormous gap between DIV I and newcomers in micro nation. Still I enjoy building a team, and trying out different setups, so I have bought players long before my 16 weeks free from the salary floor, opposite of tanker strategy. Because I need to do something to be entertained. I see the problem. I live it. I don't fight a merge to protect high income in a high income country. Trust me I know this frustration on a higher level, since I am poor in a rich country. You feel very isolated and alone. Take my high micro nation income. I don't want it. I want to play against peers.

I understand that it is hard to fight bid wars against someone with more income, but you are not playing against them. You get to play against others that plays on the same terms and faces the same problems. I will never get an advantage against a macro team because I don't get to play against them... This is always forgotten/not mentioned whenever someone wants to complain about micro nation high incomes.

I am so sick and tired of being accused of being a tanker, when the only way to avoid playing bots all season is to get to the only full division I can, Div I. Where all the 20-30 seasons old teams reside. There is no balance in micro nations. I think the inability to see others problems goes both ways here, but the focus must be on creating a level playing field.

On that note I am for a total merge. Everyone in the same boat. But I hear that is not a welcome thought. I see little resistance against a merge, in some form. There are wishes on what aspect of the game that we should try to incorporate in a new structure, but it is in the best interest of the game. I support a part II thread with a summary and a reviewed look at the current options. What is possible to do, with the proposed changes to the options. What is not possible.

Ho3ein mentioned a thread with a lot of good ideas to improve other aspects of the game, but speaking for myself a merge is welcome as at least one of the steps to improve my BB experience.

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OK don't go on announcing things as if you're a BB !! When was it decided and "CLEAR" that "some form of a merge" will happen ?


I just tried to summarize. Please take a cold shower and chillax. You are welcome.

Größter Knecht aller Zeiten aka His Excellency aka President for Life aka Field Marshal Al Hadji aka Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas aka aka Conqueror of the Buzzerbeater Empire in Europe in General and Austria in Particular
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