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Imagine how happy one would be unable to progress through leagues because of the influx of foreign managers for whom it is a second team. Ridiculous.

Very good argument against this new feature, I am guessing that norwegian top league would have very few norwegians because they just won't be able to compete with managers who have more knowledge and experience in the game.

I like it, and agree with the limits (NT voting, etc.), iffy on the B3 though.

I have specific ties to a certain country that I would love to be involved with.

Lithuania is the seventh largest nation in BB, you can't call it "easy one":D I have to agree it is harder to compete in Italy than in Lithuania. Still, how could you become a blocked team? If you manage your team consistently, you promote sooner or later.

I agree junior leagues, women's teams may require a huge amount of work and time, but not so sure about Utopia. It would be just another country, certainly with slightly changed rules and restrictions, but still, would that be so hard to implement? But I don't know anything about programming in this game, I could possibly be wrong.
It appears I'm not the only who likes Utopia's idea. There are also a number of managers who would prefer their second teams to be able to compete in other nations. So another poll to find out the distribution of votes would be interesting.

Just a hypothetical example that is almost assuredly not correct but a representative sample of something that could be unforeseen because of some assumptions the coders made that Utopia would change.

Let's assume that we add a new country "Utopia". Let's further assume that the end of season update script does, among other things, manually resets the appropriate NT/U21 enthusiasm to the proper level, starts up the election and so forth. Now, Utopia does not have a NT/U21 because it's not designed to do so, and so the update reaches that part of the script, explodes, and the processing stops. If the update is truly just scripts repeated each time for each of BB's nations, that's something entirely possible and suddenly would require a whole new set of processing be coded for Utopia. Or perhaps, the code is separated enough that it's possible to specify not to run a U21/NT script for that nation, but perhaps that part of the script also handles aging up the players to ensure that the old players are no longer eligible.

Point being, we don't know how tightly or loosely coupled the code is, but if the game was designed on the notion of every country being the same, suddenly shoehorning in a new country with different rules can be very disruptive. And when there's a reasonably good alternative solution that uses existing teams and existing leagues, which also gives some competition to micronations (which anyone who's read Wolph's volumes of literature on the subject may appreciate), it makes little sense to make massive alterations.

I am guessing that norwegian top league would have very few norwegians because they just won't be able to compete with managers who have more knowledge and experience in the game

Really???
Do some homework on your own league and country first.
Your first division has 4 teams that have been around since season 3
Teams from seasons 4 and 5
Seasons 9,11,12 and 13
All more than I have

Can't see too many team coming in with MORE knowledge and experience than already sits in Div 1
In fact that's a tougher group in terms of experience than resides in Canada's first division
Lower division teams in your country already are in tough

Very thorough analyzis, but I am from season 19 and already played in cup finals and looking to win league this year, knowledge is still the key here.

Last edited by Ghost Master at 1/14/2014 9:54:08 AM

Lithuania is the seventh largest nation in BB, you can't call it "easy one":D I have to agree it is harder to compete in Italy than in Lithuania. Still, how could you become a blocked team? If you manage your team consistently, you promote sooner or later.

Sorry (but still less than half of the managers^^), didn't knew your numbers, i stop after Ita-US-Spa-Pol^^.

My adventure is too long, i sincerely stop to have a shot to II div from S17, and never try to get out of it until this season at least, where i have solved my structural issues (Palace seats firstly). I've loved a P5 team;). But, for example, 3 out of last 4 season promote a team who afford a -100k weekly gain at least, and last one teams who promote has simply the double level of wage than every other team. This meanings you're like an "owl" hoping in others injuries/loss.

But it's not a Justify, simply analisys. Surely, later, when everybody left the game, i can promote:)