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252159.35 in reply to 252159.30
Date: 12/27/2013 10:33:20 AM
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You fail to see that BB is NOT like real sports. While it is a sports simulator the similarities stop there. Sure in the real world managers are hired to be fired, but this is a poor comparison. In the real sports world not one of us would be qualified to run a team, hence the reason we all enjoy it as much as we do.

The results of the U21 team cannot only be measured by the wins and loses. Especially in a season like last season with a hopeless crop of players. In order to measure success of this position you must consider a bunch of factors including scouting and the creation of a player data base, training advice, mentorship, communication with other managers etc. when looking at these factors the decision is easy, and until Kumiko decides to step down the position is rightfully hers.

Sparky is a few years away from being a manager but appears to be heading down the right path. I would suggest getting him more involved with the NT which means participating on the off site. The information and discussion there is very valuable and cannot be found here.

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252159.37 in reply to 252159.36
Date: 12/27/2013 11:10:28 AM
Headless Thompson Gunners
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Why is the U21 manager of another country poking around here?

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252159.39 in reply to 252159.37
Date: 12/27/2013 11:15:31 AM
Syndicalists' BC
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Why is the U21 manager of another country poking around here?

I don't really think that was called for. I don't want this forum sidetrack from the debates (again), but Morwood is an active member of the Canadian community and was asking a question to the candidates to help make a decision on their vote, and that of others.

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252159.40 in reply to 252159.35
Date: 12/27/2013 11:17:49 AM
Headless Thompson Gunners
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And you are correct on just about every count
but this was for a debate, so the devil's advocate
and the Spark's dad has spoken

Sparky however is forbidden to sign up for the off site until age 13
He doesn't even have an email account

Let's also keep in mind that the hard work that Kumiko has put in does not guarantee a walk through the door of the manager's office.
To assume that nobody else could run the program better just because she's done a good job is totalitarian in concept

Carry on

You're ALL doing good jobs

Last edited by Headless T Gunner at 12/27/2013 11:20:14 AM

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252159.42 in reply to 252159.34
Date: 12/27/2013 2:06:45 PM
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I understand you being devils advocate, I understand that Canada did not win a single game last season, but results are not the way to base success at the international U21 level in BB, just as beanerz said. The progress she has made with player tracking and scouting is unprecedented. I wish everyone could see the spreadsheets she is working with. It is some outstanding stuff.

Even if you want to look purely at results. Season 24 was U21 Canadas best season ever. Our first time in the U21 Americas Finals since Season 12. Season 12s team had HCA and some of the best U21 players Canada has ever seen. Seasons 12 team included, Christopher Moran, Momar Maja, Bryan Lacroix, Sylvain Milot(all went on to be NT studs), and put up better ratings than the Season 24 team ever did. In season 12. Christopher Moran is also arguably the greatest U21 player Canada has ever had(Glenn Richards the other candidate). So if you want to look at results, Kumiko had the most successful season ever. That is as good as we could have asked. Also, not a single person could have done anything different last season. If you or Sparky, or the current B3 champions had those players, You wouldn't have done any better. Its like taking a Division III salary roster and trying to compete with Naismith teams, it doesn't matter who is managing, You're going to lose.

Im sure if Sparkys interest and dedication to this game(which has not once been questioned) continues, than we will see him vying for these positions, but thats in the future, possibly the longterm.

Also, if he were to win this position, he would almost NEED access to the offsite forum. How would he be able to get game planning threads and roster discussion threads going? We can't do that onsite, thus the reason for the offsite.

Im just trying to avoid a possible disaster like Season 24 almost was Napoleon Bonaparte actually got 13 votes. Kumiko is the only capable candidate at all levels for this job right now.

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252159.43 in reply to 252159.42
Date: 12/27/2013 2:26:36 PM
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And where is Napolean now? Oh right, he's a bot.

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252159.44 in reply to 252159.34
Date: 12/27/2013 2:30:14 PM
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Answer this:

Which do you consider my better U21 term?

S22 8W-3L and S23 8W-3L = 16W-6L

or

S24 12W-1L and S25 0W-5L = 12W-6L

?????

I'll take S24+S25 any day, because we made worlds. Do you get it? 100 times out of 100 I would go 0-5 at worlds over 8-3 in some second rate piss ant consolation round.

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252159.45 in reply to 252159.36
Date: 12/27/2013 2:37:10 PM
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Which famous BB manager would you like to emulate and why?
I would choose Beanerz. Why?
1) Involvement in the game as a GM.
2) Involvement in the game as an NT coach.
3) Involvement in the game training a lot of Canadian talent.
4) More success than most within Canada.

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