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From: Viper52

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152411.322 in reply to 152411.321
Date: 11/11/2011 8:25:45 AM
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i agree on your statement on howard. i listed him on mine because he is the best c right now. and i do like watching him play on most nights...i think allor of what his prob is right now is hes becoming annoyed by a team that cant get him a good guard to play off of him.. they have brought in some guys, and u can say that the have tryd. but the magic have failed misurably. the only way hes gona be the dominate factor that i bealive he can be is if he gets traded. or gets a great guard...like cp3. having great outside shooters to play off him isnt enough. he needs a floor general. even if they brought in nash or kidd even though there well aged there still better than what dwight has had at pg.

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152411.323 in reply to 152411.322
Date: 11/12/2011 3:13:33 PM
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Off the top, gotta say Dwayne Wade at #1. He's a leader, got great perimeter defense, can go inside both offensively and defensively, can rebound, and is the best Shot Blocking Guard in the game. Also, he can play anywhere from the 1-3 spots, and if you want to go stupid fast could even set him as a 4 for those situations (though not for a game or anything like that). Hits his Free Throws. His only weakness is Lebron James being on the team.

#2. At this moment, it seems to be Dirk Nowitzki. Some people don't like him, but he's a winner. To be considered a top scorer, he has shown that even when missing he can contribute with the Assists and Rebounds. He shot like 30% for one game in the finals, still hit the game winner and still got his team mates involved and grabbed the boards. Peoples biggest knock on him is his Defense. Did you see the Finals? Blocks, Steals. Usually on Help Defense or when a guy drives right at him (he was great with that quick swipe all through out the play offs). And with his height and reach he does well enough in M2M on his mark. Name the last person to drop 30 on Dirk. 25? 20? I'm sure the list is much smaller than most think. Also, he didn't need 'stars' to help complete his game, the biggest move was getting him his C, which most people wouldn't have on their Top 15 C list. Nash is amazing, but not in his prime. Really, name another Current AS on that team. Dirk did more with less, like DWade did when he won his ring.

#3. I hate this with every fiber of my sould. Kobe Bryant. The man just knows how to win. He's fairly clutch, the percentage lower than you would think but you can't make shots you don't take. He could take a page from Jordan's book where you CAN take the last shot, but you don't have to. Yeah, the shot on Craig Ehlo will never be forgotten (vs. Cleveland) but neither will finding Paxson, Kerr or Armstrong.

#4. Lebron James. Still needs some work, but it's mostly decision making and ego in the way. Kobe is above him because Kobe, like Jordan, knows how to win. Also, Lebron has to learn the same thing Kobe hasn't learned... that just because a guy doesn't make $50,000,000 a season doesn't mean he can't win the game for you. In both Cleveland and Miami Lebron had guys that could have made the last shot... if he'd given up the ball. For 4 Quarters he is a good passer, he just loses that 'team mentality' when it's crunch time. Case in point, when he hit Dwayne Wade about 2 steps in front of the Half Court for a Miricle Shot (that missed), when he had the only guy to hit a basket, much less a 3, open on the Left Wing. Instead of hitting the open guy at the 3 Point Line, who had just got you out of a 6 Minute slump, he hit a Star... at the HC Line. No chance for the win, big mistake that may have cost them the Series.

#5. Derrick Rose. You just can't guard him, and his Defense is solid. He can rebound well for his position. He needs some seasoning, mostly to figure out how to make those around him better. He's going to be more of an Allen Iverson, though AI was more explosive in his prime where Steals/Fast Break was concerned. He's fierce and doesn't back down.

#6. Kevin Durant. This early in his young career and he already understands things like floor spacing, getting others involved, and taking over when it matters. He's a mismatch no matter who is guarding him. He does need to learn some Back-to-the-Basket moves so he can really drill the shorter guys, his game isn't complete yet. Even MJ, at 6'6", understood the importance of backing down your man. Ditto for Charles Barkley, who stood 6'4" (Listed 6'6", but look at him standing next to Jordan in any picture). KD has no reason to NOT get 5 Back Down shots a game. In a few seasons, if he rounds out that Offense and plays great Help Defense (ala a more explosive Dirk style) he'll really come into his own.

#7. Chris Paul. Isn't playing his game, needs some help to see

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152411.324 in reply to 152411.323
Date: 11/12/2011 4:38:38 PM
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u must b out of ur mind!!!!!!!!THE TOP 7 4 real iz
1.Kobe Bryant
2.D.Rose
3.LeBron James
4.Dwayne Wade
5.Durant
6.Carmelo Anthony.
7.Dirk Nowinski
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If u disagree plz comment if u dare.(i'm not talking video games, i'm talkin real life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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152411.325 in reply to 152411.324
Date: 11/12/2011 5:11:48 PM
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I dare to disagree, and no amount of exclamation points will dissuade me.

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152411.326 in reply to 152411.324
Date: 11/12/2011 6:03:22 PM
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In what way is Carmelo Anthony rated over Dirk? Dirk Rebounds, Blocks, Steals, Assists more than Melo, and scores just as much... at a higher %, especially from 3-pt range, where Melo is horrid.

Oh yeah... and has a Ring. 'But, but, Melo doesn't have a supporting cast!' And neither did Dirk, neither did Wade a few years back when he got his. Neither did Lebron in Cleveland, yet he got them into the Play Offs.

So yeah, I disagree. In real life. Your first 4 are pretty solid, I'll give you that. I got Wade 1, Dirk 2, Bryant 3 and James 4th. So we don't disagree THAT much. 3 of our Top 4 are the same, just slotted differently. If we are talking RECENT, not sure why you have Kobe so high as it is apparent his game has slipped some (still an All-Star easily, but not the Same Kobe from his Prime).

Please, if you have anything to support that Melo is better than Dirk, show me.

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152411.327 in reply to 152411.323
Date: 11/12/2011 9:46:44 PM
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, and if you want to go stupid fast could even set him as a 4 for those situations (though not for a game or anything like that).

So basically you could not play Wade at the 4.

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152411.328 in reply to 152411.327
Date: 11/12/2011 9:51:55 PM
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You could play Wade as a 4 for a few trips down the court, yes. Like Magic Johnson played all 5 Spots in an All Star Game... obviously he didn't play them all the entire game. If you wanted to go into a very up-tempo offense, where you break even after made baskets and tried pressing full court, Wade could well move to your 4. You would never play like that for an entire game in the NBA, however... which is why I say 'not for a game', meaning not for an ENTIRE game. Just in certain situations.

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152411.329 in reply to 152411.326
Date: 11/14/2011 6:59:51 PM
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Before i bring stats into the equation i would like to say y dirk isn't as good as ppl say he iz. 4git dis season look about 3 even 2, no no one all those seasons ago. Dirk's name wasn't out there like it iz now. yes he's in his prime, but everyone has thier good year. dirk's record recently, had a decent season play 1rst round, lose. nxt year good season 2nd round, lose. then again good season 1rst round lose. ok so this year they go all da way. but what changes the team, addition of tyson chandler and stepup game of jj barea, and also i believe caron bulter was added also. better team better resu;ts not necasarily a better dirk. I anit hatin on dirk now, hes the 2nd best pf out there rite now. yet he's not as good as ppl try n make him. during the playoofs and the playoffs alone he played so well. he won his, lik he wanted but now the passion is lower, and i'm sure that he won't do so well nxt year.

Now, the c melo/dirk comparison. ok from nba.com thier carrer averages. Dirk is 23pts, 8.4 rebs, 2.7 ast, .476 fg%. Melo is 24.8pts, 6.3rebs, 3.1asts, and .459fg%. So they got eachother beat in diff things. Dirk is a matchup nightmare, and almost can't be defended. He has a shot and rarely misses. melo is the2nd best offensive force in this leage. his jumper is way better than dirk, and is more clutch and knows how 2 win. That's the difference and that's y i put him b4 dirk.

kobe is da best player alive no questions.

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152411.330 in reply to 152411.329
Date: 11/14/2011 7:46:57 PM
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To question Dirk's clutch is absurd. He hit game winners in the Finals. That's clutch. Even shooting 28%, he still put home the winning basket (Game 3, was it?)

As far as 'improving' the Mavs, you speak of AJ and Chandler like they are All Stars. They are not, however what they are is excellent role players that play that role for the best of the team.

Kobe WAS the best player alive, as late as 2 seasons ago. He isn't right now, but he can regain that form as he is still young enough... but the competition with both vets like Wade and Dirk, along with the young crowd like Durant and Rose, will make that more difficult.

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152411.331 in reply to 152411.330
Date: 11/14/2011 7:56:09 PM
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u noe im not even gonna argue dirk n e more. but u must have some gang green or autism if u even think, or mention that wade, dirk, and rose wil ever reach the level kobe has shown us through his carrer. He has impacted the game and defense as long as the game will continue. even at his age he still puts up 25+ pts a game on average. rose isn't. i promise you that kobe bryant means more to his team and has a larger role than n e one else in nba history except for MJ23. He is the best player now, 2nd best all time and it won't change until he retires. If u can plz tell me y n e of dose ppl u named are better than kobe plz push urself 2 write it. Nobody is touching kb24 rite now, and earlier not after the lockout not ever. so chew on dat youngin. obviouslly u know nothing about basketball.

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152411.332 in reply to 152411.331
Date: 11/14/2011 8:10:30 PM
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Top 10 NBA Players. Not Top 10 NBA Players over the last 5 Year, last 10 years, last 15 years.

We are discussing now. So you can't really take more than 1-2 seasons into account, last season... the season before, and perhaps as deep as 3 seasons ago. Anything further back than that isn't relevant to Top 10 NBA Players NOW.

If talking all time you have to look at guys like Oscar Robertson. Jordan doesn't hold a torch to those Triple Doubles... Jordan actually only had like 52 Double Doubles. Mike is still the greatest because of how he did it and how he took over games, especially play off and finals. So I do think MJ is the best ever (Oscar would be 2 for me, Wilt be the 3rd) Wilt can talk about scoring every bit that Jordan can. And I think that Jordan is MUCH better than Kobe, so obviously I would have to consider Oscar and Wilt better than Kobe as well.

Looking over the last 2-3 seasons, I can see plenty of players that mean what Kobe means to the Lakers. Not last year but 2 and 3 ago, Lebron meant that to the Cavs. Durant means that. Take Dirk away from the Mavs, do they even make the Play Offs, much less win it all? CP3 probably means as much to his team as Kobe does to the Lakers.

The reason I drop Lebron so much is that he went to a much better team and still didn't win, against a team with many less stars to stop. I do down grade Wade a bit, because he allowed James to cost him another championship. Still, Wade gets the benefit of the doubt, as he has won it all before with a less than star studded team.

I do keep Kobe up there, but these last two seasons he hasn't been exactly the same Kobe. To the degree that at this moment (last season) he's not the best NBA Player. All time, he's truly great. 3-5 years ago, top in the game. Right now, he's not #1. All time, he's not #1. But there were solid seasons put together where none was better in the league. Much respect for Kobe, but you have to understand this is about NOW.

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