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So just answer this - How is trading players going to improve the game?

I already answered that question (262158.9). You yourself commented that the benefits I listed were "good" and a "good point".

And what are you proposing for new players? That they can't trade at all? Or transfer players at all? Im sorry, but if i joined this game and was not able to perform tese functions simply because i was new, id quit straight away.

I see, so we're supposed to protect the noobs from making poor trades and selling good players for pennies, but if we restrict them from trading their team away for 2.5 weeks, 1 player at a time, to 18 different managers, it will make the game economy crash worse than the Great Depression and the players will desert in droves.

Yet, the number one thread in the BB Global Forums is "Is BB dying a slow death?" and is about how BB isn't attracting new players. When new players give ideas, they are smugly shot down without consideration or discussion.

Nearly every professional sports league has trades of some kind. There are ways to make it work. My idea is a pretty detailed explanation on how to do it.

3 weeks to be a millionaire. it still cheating.

It's 3 days with the transfer list. Actually, less since Supporters can put up players for 1 day transfers. And with the TL they can buy players that are way out of the skill level of the other players in their division.

It's 3 weeks to get a rookie scrub team that is halfway decent in potential since all player salaries would be less than or equal to the salary of the players you started with. And then multiple seasons to actually make those players worth a damn. Seems like a really, really time consuming way to cheat when you can just use the TL instead.

dude ive made my point, someone who has been playing the game for 4 years, AND a GM, if you don't like what you they have to say, its your problem.

Trading will never get implemented. if you don't like the reasons, go play another game.

Mr Tom Bane

I've said it before and i'll say it again, TRADING in any form no matter what well thought out scenario you might propose will never be implemented in BB. Its a PANDORA'S BOX, where one Good thing ( your trade proposal) will give rise to the Evils of cheating, fleecing noobs, creation of super teams, impossible monitoring of transactions and all the scenarios that coach regan mentioned in this thread.


The Transfer market works just fine.

dude ive made my point, someone who has been playing the game for 4 years, AND a GM, if you don't like what you they have to say, its your problem.

You have 4 years of experience with the current game system. It does not include trades. You have 0 years experience with a BB system that includes trades. Therefore, our experience level is the same.

Simply being in a position of authority (GM) does not make the person's argument any more correct than anyone else's. They may have knowledge of game systems, just as you do, but I have yet to see a reasoned argument against why my idea wouldn't work.

Trading will never get implemented. if you don't like the reasons, go play another game.

This is why in the previous response I mentioned the thread about the game dying. If a person of 4 years experience in the game routinely tells new players "go play another game", it is no wonder players don't stick around.

I understand you like the system the way it is. My proposal builds on the current system and adds a new tool to the toolbox. It doesn't take any tools away. You can still sell your players for big money and never accept an offer or make one ever under my idea.

You can never trade for a player worth more than the player that is for sale in my idea. One team will always be getting a slightly better player (depending on the % of salary BB decides to allow) and one team will always be getting a player that is slightly worse than the player they are selling which is made up for by additional cash. And the selling manager never has to allow trades for his or her players and never has to accept any trade offers.

The more I read your responses and those of others in this thread, the more I understand that none of you really read through the proposal. You just saw "Trades" and responded like Pavlov's Dog to a dinner bell.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, TRADING in any form no matter what well thought out scenario you might propose will never be implemented in BB. Its a PANDORA'S BOX, where one Good thing ( your trade proposal) will give rise to the Evils of

Repeating yourself isn't really a good argument. It just means you are passionate about your convictions.

cheating,

I addressed ways to prevent cheating in my proposal.

fleecing noobs,

There is nothing in the game currently that prevents noobs from being fleeced. They can still spend all of their starting money on a player that wrecks their team economy, is old and loses stats every week, and whose play in games is only good enough to get them out of a Bot league. As far as I can see, there is no requirement in the game for managers to be smart or good at their job. If noobs get fleeced, the TL is not currently doing anything to stop that.

creation of super teams,

The TL does not currently stop a team from buying great players and making a "super team". The manager that sold his whole team for 3.5 mil and bragged about it in USA chat can now buy a whole new "super team" and, as long as his bids aren't above a certain, hidden threshold, he is not doing anything against the rules.

impossible monitoring of transactions

Transactions would be monitored the same way they are now since they use the same system, the Transfer List, to move the players.

and all the scenarios that coach regan mentioned in this thread.

I explained why my idea would handle the scenarios that he mentioned. You do not propose anything that I haven't already covered in my proposal.


Just an observation here, but I haven't seen a single person in this thread except EGM-Perpete quote any part of the actual proposal and explain why it wouldn't work or a way to make it work better. It seems like everyone who has replied is against the idea of trades, regardless of the actual implementation. Even if that implementation addresses many of the reasons why you are against them in the first place.

In Europe, it's mostly transfer and/or changing club at the end of the contract.

Right. Since all sports leagues have contracts, many trades are made due to contract reasons. BB doesn't have contracts, so trades have to be for the reasons that managers currently sell players for in BB.

The first reason I can see for anyone to sell players in BB using the TL is for cost reasons. I get rid of player X because my team is going to lose money if I keep him. So, it's because I have to make room on my roster for a cheaper player. My idea addresses this since you can only trade for a player whose salary is less than the player you are selling. Because I also added a minimum salary of 75% (or whatever the BBs decide) of the selling manager's player, you are getting trades of players that are similar in cost. One gets a slightly better player, the other gets a slight worse player and some cash which helps their economy. Both teams benefit.

The second reason I can see for anyone to sell a player is because they trained a great player and want to make money off of that player. Under my proposal, they can still do that because the selling manager can put the player up without the option for trades. Then, it is cash only. If they put that player up with the option for trades, they could also accept a player that is similar in value and some cash. Or just look at the offers, reject them all, and still accept a boatload of cash. Either way, both teams benefit.

The last reason I can see for anyone to sell a player is to shake the team up and try something new. With my trade idea, they get offers from other players and can find something different that might get them further along in the idea they are working towards.

Here is an example of the last reason. Say a manager changes his team name to the Gotham Dark Knights. He only wants players who have the word "Dark" somewhere in their name. He can offer up his players on the TL with trades enable and in his advertisement say that he will only accept trades for players with "Dark" in their name. He is much more likely to be able to build the team he wants if he can trade for these players than he is if he has to use the TL to find the players, make bids, and buy them. He is also much more likely to get players that won't make his team much better or worse because he is getting back similar value in the trade for the players he is giving up. So, his team is still competitive and he gets the team he wants. Everyone benefits.

even a thought out idea can not work in BB

That could be true. If anyone actually addressed the points of my idea, I would agree. But, instead, I am being told that if I don't like the poor arguments that have been made against my proposal, I should "leave the game".

I don't come in here just to argue. I am curious if there is any support from any players in the game for a logical, thought out trade option. It seems like a lot of new players ask for it. I am also curious if the BB developers think it could work since it uses their excellent existing work as a jumping off point for a fun game improvement. Lastly, I am curious if their are any flaws in MY proposal, not the one's people seem to be making up in their heads.

you have the right to insist your TRADE Concept, i also have the right to insist that i disagree with any kind of Trading, the Transfer market, no matter its imperfections is working just fine.

no you are wrong, sorry you assume to know who I am and what I have and haven't done and you assume that your ideas will actually counter events that occur in a game that you ahve little experience in.
I have actually read all your responses, but you seem to missing the point that you ideas will not prevent cheating.

trading = cheating.

trading will always equal cheating, no matter how many different mechanisms you think you can put in place. The BB owners know this, no one is ever going to come up with a solution for it. No matter how many different posts or how many different arguments you come up with. It will never get implemented, whether you like what people are saying or not.

I don't actually like the current transfer system, I hate it because I am based in Australia, the time difference means I miss out bidding for players that I want, unless is tay up until 3am, so for me, the current system is annoying. But trading is not the answer.

Sorry you seem to be unable to accept this, but it is not me that has the problem here, im simply the messenger its up to you whether you choose to listen to more expwerienced people or not and accept this reality

Im not the decision maker on whether suggestions go forward, neither is the GM, but both of us have spent considerable time reading and responding to your answers, because we realise how much effort you put into it and

But fact is, trading has been suggested for this game from day one. and it will never, NEVER EVER EVER be implemented in the game. Not because I say so, not because a GM says so, but because there is no possible implementation that will NOT increase cheating. full stop, end of argument, bye bye now.

Your arguments are moot, because BB will never implement it. You can choose to listen to our understandings of why its not going to happen or not, thats your choice....... simply replying with your understanding of the logic of why it SHOULD happen, will not make it happen, regardless of the fact that you THINK that your logic will prevent events that you obviously do not understand ie; Cheating.

sorry, but thats just the reality. You will find yourself enjoying the game much more once you accept this reality.
For your own sanity i suggest doing a forum search for 'trading' and find how many times this has been suggested by people and this will give you ALLLLL the reasons in the world why it will never ever be implemented.