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1. Of course, but wouldn't it be fun to sustain a second and third league to be fairly competitive? And furthermore, I would gladly and open heartedly welcome any other similar country, or even move to a neutral system with different countries to diversify and increase competitiveness.
You guys are currently 54. You currently have 5 active leagues(i didn't check but I assume all 5 leagues have at least one human, I may be wrong). 5 leagues times 16 spots means room for 80 users, in the second leagues you have 64 spots out of which you are currently filling only 38, which is roughly 60%. Can you actually speak in the name of all other members of you community in saying that this could not be any more fun and competitive?

2. Yes, it is. Financial issue is something temporary, this is not why we lost tens of thousands of users. Real problems are that this is a long term game, and if the prize isn't worth it, tanking and farming will just simply not attract that many people.


3. That wasn't really a question, but since we are on the subject, do you think it;s fair for the many many people in macro nations to barely make it by with their cash, while the people in micronations are just sitting doing nothing first, second, and third leagues making cash like it was nothing? How about the BBs offer us a statistic of money per manager in micro and macro nation so we can have actual numbers.

As for us, we are 160, and yes that is very few, and yes it would be a lot more fun to be 500 or so. And yes, I know for a fact, our third leagues are boring and uncompetitive. And even with our third league incomes I know managers just tanking and farming. It wasn't like this when we had 4 leagues, it was a big deal to promote and it wasn't so easy to build a team. It was a lot more realistic.

Being a bit late to this thread I have skimmed a few pages of it and the general opinion is that most people don't want to lose their national identity but would like to see national teams compete more. I proposed something at the start of Utopia that had a small discussion in the suggestion forums ((258150.1)). The outline of the argument was this:

1) Scrap Utopia as a nationality and make the draftees come from real nations. They all get random names and I'm assuming the names will be linked to certain nationalities so why not assign them to that country.

2) Seed the draftees so that more come from low ranked nations to help the smaller countries have a chance. For example 1/6 are from the top 30, 2/6 are from 31 to 60 and 3/6 from the rest.

This will solve two problems; the lack of competitiveness of micro-nation national teams and the fact no one cares about Utopian draftees. For the lack of competitve leagues in micro-nations they would still have B3, private leagues and Utopia to keep them busy. In the Scottish league there are only about 4 teams that can actually compete with each other so the matches become a more personal affair and I enjoy it a lot.

nice ideas .... I like them all ;-)

Knecht & Joey Ka: Yes I think you are right. Maybe I put to much emphasis on the unequal opportunity to train players in the first league. Some NT might be weaker, but this is just how it is if you are a smaller country I guess. And as you mentioned. You can do something to prevent it and even train NT players in the second div.

1) Scrap Utopia as a nationality and make the draftees come from real nations. They all get random names and I'm assuming the names will be linked to certain nationalities so why not assign them to that country.

2) Seed the draftees so that more come from low ranked nations to help the smaller countries have a chance. For example 1/6 are from the top 30, 2/6 are from 31 to 60 and 3/6 from the rest.

This will solve two problems; the lack of competitiveness of micro-nation national teams and the fact no one cares about Utopian draftees.

While this is a great idea, it won't solve the problems of economic inbalance and lack of competitiveness in small leagues. And those are the main reasons for a merge.

Can you actually speak in the name of all other members of you community in saying that this could not be any more fun and competitive?

No, of course ..... but I always say "If you really want to know it, you have to ask everybody" ... and not everybody feels comfortable discussing in english ;-)

So, I personally think: more competitive? yes! .... less communication? yes!... at least more Users in BB? No!

2. Yes, it is. Financial issue is something temporary, this is not why we lost tens of thousands of users. Real problems are that this is a long term game, and if the prize isn't worth it, tanking and farming will just simply not attract that many people.

your own words: "Can you actually speak in the name of all other members of you community?

do you think it;s fair for the many many people in macro nations to barely make it by with their cash, while the people in micronations are just sitting doing nothing first, second, and third leagues making cash like it was nothing? How about the BBs offer us a statistic of money per manager in micro and macro nation so we can have actual numbers.

just assumtions ... nothing more ..... for me it seems like Micro Nations have to blame for anything bad in BB .... but you are right: without hard facts talking about these problem isn´t very serious ;-)

Last edited by hupfingatsch at 4/12/2016 11:44:25 AM

1) Scrap Utopia as a nationality and make the draftees come from real nations. They all get random names and I'm assuming the names will be linked to certain nationalities so why not assign them to that country.

2) Seed the draftees so that more come from low ranked nations to help the smaller countries have a chance. For example 1/6 are from the top 30, 2/6 are from 31 to 60 and 3/6 from the rest.

This will solve two problems; the lack of competitiveness of micro-nation national teams and the fact no one cares about Utopian draftees.

While this is a great idea, it won't solve the problems of economic inbalance and lack of competitiveness in small leagues. And those are the main reasons for a merge.

A merge will also not solve all of the problems ..... maybe competitivness ..... but others? .. not for sure ... and maybe it will open up some new problems ;-)

and ... I don´t think that Micro Nations are the main cause for the financial problem ... It starts with Utopia .... Micro Nations were in BB long before Utopia ..... and the finacial problem could be easily fixed with other solutions (maybe less money for Utopian Leagues, less money for the same league level in smaller Nations and so on ...... but as I said before: without hardfacts you will be not able to have a serious discussion ;-)


Last edited by hupfingatsch at 4/12/2016 1:51:45 PM

what i see a lot from you is fear of change

no, definitely not ..... but it should make sense for the majority of the users ;-)

It should make sense from a fair, logical and abstract point of view. most of the users would probably just choose for their own gain. also lots of users might have quit because of the micronationproblem. many might come in the future and will have to live with the changes.. I mean if you would have a situation where everyone sits behind a veil of ignorance....but that is another story.

Last edited by jonte at 4/12/2016 12:19:26 PM

Pretty much this.

Hupfingatschs solution to everything would be an expansion of the BBB competition, which of course would be so much better for everything.

Hi. I copied my friend's comment because I agreed with him completely. I am totally against the merge and I'll leave the game if this happens. By doing this, you changing the game's real shape and form and you're making it worthless. Instead, you could tweak somethings about the game so that teams can become strong and powerful sooner and quicker than it is right now. Unfortunately, BB has lost many of its users because of bad policies and BB is destroying itself right now by doing this merge. From another view, I believe that the quality of users are more important rather than the quantity. Even with its low user number, Iran has had championships on B3 level and in NT competitions, which shows the abilities and cleverness of its managers. This is why I believe that including Iran in this merge is not right. I think that with a little bit of advertising and by providing easier ways of buying Supporter in smaller countries, the game could gain a boost if the mentioned are combined with right policies. I believe that this merge will have a negative effect on BB and it will just help the decline of the game.

To BB's success...