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- Bbalin refering to accusation about not letting his election-rival have access to off-site forum

OK, maybe I'm missing the point here, but isn't the whole point of our offsite do be able to discuss things OFF-SITE so that only our community can access it? We share our offsite forums with multiple countries, and we don't allow any of them to see our player skills and our strategies, so why is it "playing dirty" to not allow a former NT coach of one of the strongest countries in the game into that fold when nobody else is either.

Maybe Kozlik is completely honest with his intentions, and he really did want to come in and help, but at what point do we start making judgement calls and letting everyone read our discussions because they say that they want to help? Nothing against Kozlik, but I'm with Bballin on this. Don't let outsider countries in, point blank. The only questionable part of it to me is not even responding to the BB-mail, if that actually happened. Playing your cards close to the vest is fine, but it's no reason to disregard common courtesy.

Just my two cents.

Last edited by The Raven at 9/21/2013 1:50:13 AM

You got a point there, but as already happened in the past, Canadian managers wanted to share info with other NTs (dont know what the motivation was) and it was only thanks to honesty of other countries that it wad revealed, so just having a right flag beside your name means nothing. Also, as far as i know new canadian managers are also accepted without proving themselves, so i dont see why someone aspiring to become a member of community (and important one at that) should be denied access, and even if, then lack of activity regarding NT on the forums shouldnt be used as argument against such manager. Also, I dont see why kozlik would share that info. Even if you dont trust the guy, there is absolutely no reason for him to shre it with anyone, because lets face it. Poland doesnt need it since their NT is stronger.

It's a case where kolzik won a substantial share of the vote in the last election, and many more thought he could be a great resource for the NT with his knowledge. At the very least, that shouldn't have been a decision Bballin should have made on his own, and should have asked the Canadian community whether kolzik should be given access. It's pretty clear imo why kolzik would be a unique case, and the slippery slope argument that we'll let everyone in is a very weak argument in this case.

That said, I still want to hear from both teams, a plan from kolzik, and a response to jfarb's suggestion that we played not to lose as opposed to trying to win from bballin (ie. if we thought Chile or US was impossible in the semis, we should have tried to get within their group to pull off an upset there).

I don't think anyone is being asked to base their vote on nationality alone but honestly if is a factor. We are talking about an online game not the real world. Many factor come into play including time zone, best interests, long term planning and scouting. But nationality aside there are still no answers...

We can be certain that the Canadian managers are in it for the long hail and that they will continue to update player spreadsheets and respond to user messages. The reason we know this is because they have proven it, prior to being Nt managers. At this point kolzig has not proven anything, he only shows up at election time and contributes nothing elsewhere. The fact that he was denied access to the offsite is a non factor for me, the BB community is here not on the offsite. Be part of the Canadian forums here to prove your self and then worry about accessing the off site forum.

Looking forward to hearing the detailed plan but expect that this candidate is trying to run on his past, frankly the past means jack squat. I want to know what he plans to do to improve our NT short and long term. This does not require access to builds or anything else it just requires a plan, which he apparently does not have.

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Last edited by Mod-beanerz at 9/21/2013 9:33:35 AM

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Last edited by Mod-beanerz at 9/21/2013 9:32:52 AM

To be completely honest, I cannot recall whether kozlik BBmailed me or not, he very well may have, but I know for sure he said something abouy helping in te debate thread last season. There are two managers who have access to our rosters and schedule who arent Canadian. Athrunzala and Eminence Front, both of which I highly doubt ever actually look and both of which I respect and trust highly of. If he BBmailed(which he probably did, but I honestly cannot remember) then yes I played the dirty card, im surprised this is whats getting me into hot water. I almost never make a decision without the communities input and I make one executive decision on my own and people go wild.

My main issue with kozlik is exactly as beanerz said. He has yet to make a comment on how he plans to have success in Canada, what his plans are, nothing. He just points out his club success and success with Poland and says, look at that. Club teams are much different, more finances involved and control of GS, and to be frank I dont carr about his success with Poland, anyone could have gotten the job done with players like that. Also Poland is a lot different than Canada with 10 times the amount of users and players. So as a voter myself kozlik has failed in any way to convince me to vote for me.

Im not trying to argue against kozlik, im stating my opinion and arguing for myself. I dont see a debate or argument here until kozlik starts talking about what he plans on doing and stops talking about what he has already done.

Ok maybe this will be more clear:

What is your plan for the Canadian National Team? please include some actual points rather than continuing to ask that we "trust you" and "look at my past".

What are you going to do to make the NT better this season and for seasons to come?