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And how do you know since everything must be kept secret and off the boards as per game policy (which is what I think should be addressed, before Nik0 decides that this is off topic for this thread)? GMs being banned would be proof that there is an effort from GMs/EGMs, but not all GMs have always acted responsibly ;) (at least in the past).

Last edited by Lemonshine at 1/9/2015 6:24:42 AM

But believe me this will not change your opinion if we are doing the job as we have to do or not since you will not have an overall view of a specific case because i don't think that any game is releasing the ways it detects the cheaters or any other violation.

Yeah perhaps, but at least we would see something like: Day1: Foto fines Yellowcake for transfer; Day4 Foto fines Yellowcake for transfer; Day5: Foto fines Yellowcake for transfer; Day7 Foto bans Yellowcake for inappropriate language on forums; Day13 Foto bans Yellowcake permanently for inappropriate language on forums; Day 20 Foto rejects Yellowcake appeal. You get the gist of it...

ANY information is better than NO information, not only to understand if something is being done when someone reports a misconduct (leniency towards cheaters is also a big problem), but also to have a better understanding of what is going on. You're right that I will still have not enough information to decide whether a GM has acted well or not in my example, but I will at least be able to understand if something else is going on (i.e. they may have been banned for something completely different, although that's unlikely). If a GM bans 2 people with the same IP because they traded to each other, I could go and check if at least the trading part is true. Clearly with no further explanations and no information about what happened in the eyes of the GM, I will still take the managers' side if it makes sense (also because, knowing them, I have no reason whatsoever to doubt them and I can vouch for them the same way Perpete stands by other GMs and I believe anybody touched directly would feel the same way).

Also look at it this way. What are the drawbacks of providing minimal info about what happens with bans and people reported? That you help cheating? The drawback of no information is that nobody can see whether something is being done or not and what are the accusations against people. You don't even need to put the value of the fines in order to do this and dispel the doubts that secrecy is there to protect GMs rather than avoiding flame wars.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 1/9/2015 6:40:18 AM

Apologies to all.

Having created this thread to try and help the game, I should have been more proactive in getting the thread back on topic

The initial question was - What should be the biggest (most immediate) priority for the use of resources, that will have the most positive impact on this great game?

For those of you who are interested the poll currently sits on

Votes - Option ----------------------------- % of vote

5 - Create an Auto bid function - 2.5%
9 - Further reduce the financial advantages of tanking - 4.6%
10 - More Advertising/Marketing - 5.1%
12 - Balance strengths of strategies&costs (or prove=) - 6.1%
12 - Reducing the effectiveness of game shape training - 6.1%
14 - Fix Micronations through combining them - 7.1%
27 - Increase the speed that players can be trained at - 13.7%
33 - Stop LCD & blanks +Improve current subs options - 16.8%
75 - Develop and release an "App" - 38.1%


For those of you who are observant, "having a public bitch fight" was not an option and I dont see how this prolonged argument can help the game, when in fact I think it actually might be having a negative impact.


I would be very happy for this conversation/argument or whatever it is to be edited out of this thread and moved else where

I'm not a GM, bad or otherwise. I'm a user according to some, a customer to others ( even though I'm not a supporter I contribute by clicking probably more pages than most). I might even be a bad user/customer. Certainly I've been treated as such recently. However, I do have an opinion and I think that's still allowed.

I would be totally OK with deleting all that discussion about GMs since as OP of that thread, it's your right to ask it,

I wouldn't. I don't believe it was off topic, since its within the boundaries set by the thread title.

If we were to do it without a clear confirmation, we would be the bad GMs.

Putting words into people's mouths before they've even seen you do what you claim you're going to be criticised for. Classic.

Of course you're now going to say I'm a bad user for proving you right. Hey, look, I just did what you did. I am a bad user.

Incidentally the use of the phrase bitch fight by the OP was far worse than anything I said in a post that was (wrongly) deleted.

I did withdraw from this thread after being bullied out of it by 4(or was it 5 GMs), but am now forced back into it because I'm sickened by the whining GMs who can't stand criticism.

I would say suggesting an improvement of the way people are treated by GMs in general is most definitely a suggestion of how to improve things in the game.

...and you side Manager A just because... ermm.... I don't know why and accept "by default" that the staff is abusing his authority. Yeah, makes sense.

Nice way to put something in my mouth that I did not say. Acting responsibly also means this, as Wolph/Trainerman pointed out in his long post.

I'll clarify. My stance of saying I believe the story of someone I've known for 2 years and has played the game without issues for 7 years straight (apart from having unspecified problems with a GM previously), is no less and no more right than saying: "I trust a GM to be always right and do his job responsibly and honestly without having to check everything he does". It is exactly the same. It's a matter of trust and unless I have additional information, which I don't, you are asking me an act of faith and believe you. It's the same defense as going out and saying you regularly ban also supporters (find it hard to believe sorry).

Ask it on Suggestions - it's up to Marin to implement it.

I will certainly be sure to do it, as I already said I would. I would have stopped about this a long time ago, if other situations which are even worse (Yellow cake) hadn't emerged in front of the all-out defense by GMs and EGMs. I posted here originally, because I can see this being a problem and as I clearly stated from the beginning I wanted it added to the poll about things to tackle (i.e. this very thread).

Last edited by Lemonshine at 1/9/2015 9:16:38 AM

I would be totally OK with deleting all that discussion about GMs since as OP of that thread, it's your right to ask it, one thing though, I need to be sure that's what you want. If we were to do it without a clear confirmation, we would be the bad GMs.

You should ask for this Sid. I will open a separate thread to tackle the problem where all the GMs can freely jump at users asking for more information/transparency about their actions (and about cheaters), like it happened in the past (bless the Greek community). If you do the poll again in the future, I'd like to ask you if you could kindly add an option so that it's on the radar.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 1/9/2015 9:24:09 AM