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I can vouch for the importance of Nickleon and before that Foto

You are joking right? Foto was a joke. He was always BAN HAPPY. He banned me and took my LA gig away for me using an ENGLISH word that wasn't rude or crude at all. And then 4 days later I see you use the same word in the forums and when I BB mail him to ask him about it he added another week to my ban. Having a non-native English speaker policing the forums trying to understand what context an English word or phrase is being used in, is a very bad idea.

As Perpete said Foto was a very important part of the game and he worked so hard to make this better.

AGAIN....Your opinion. To me, he was a bully who made me not want to support the game anymore. He made me NOT want to tell people how fun the game was anymore. I remember just like three seasons ago he fined me for a player sell that was legit. Even after I took it to appeals, the BB's said the sell was legit. I always thought it was funny how every time I would get a fine/forum ban, it was always Mr. FOTO. This guy you paint as a saint was actually a bully who would single people out.

Please let us think something different because we know more about what Foto did for the game.
Its not good to speak about him like this only because he did something which affected you.
As Perpete said Foto was a very important part of the game and he worked so hard to make this better.

And how do you suppose users are able to discern this? We have Perpete who says all GMs are reasonable, no GMs ever gets it wrong and if he does he has his reasons, all GMs are the epitome of honesty etc etc. Then we hear and see actual examples (like the one I linked, like Wolph's and Yellowcake's cases) that makes this dubious to say the least. How can we believe that without any information whatsoever? It's like a police department defending an officer suspected of corruption or abuse, by saying: we are sure all our officers show exemplary behaviour on the job and regarding the specific accusations we can't share any information, sorry.

Being in the game for years doesn't giving to anyone the right to do whatever he wants like violating the forums rules or the game rules in general. And this is count for all of us.
And the same counts if you belong to the staff or you are paying Supporter. Rules are for everyone and we have to clear this up because many users believe that there is a different behavior to Supporters and different to non-Supporters.

This is perfect Nickleon. I'm sure this applies for yourself but for the others 30+ GMs we have to take your word for it (or Perpete's).

Let me ask you this: has any GM ever been banned for abusing his power like in Wolph's case? What would you do if you find out a GM is acting mainly in his own interest?

AGAIN....Your opinion. To me, he was a bully who made me not want to support the game anymore. He made me NOT want to tell people how fun the game was anymore. I remember just like three seasons ago he fined me for a player sell that was legit. Even after I took it to appeals, the BB's said the sell was legit.

And here' s the nail in the coffin. Questionable behaviour by GMs (even if only perceived to be so, which was not the case here) do destroy the sense of community and fairness in the game especially since the information is not available to evaluate both sides of the story. Personally, I am very upset at what happened with the 2 English managers based on the information I have, that does not make me feel like I want to help or contribute more, if anything it makes me feel like doing less and potentially quit.

To me, the secrecy policy is more damage control than avoiding flame wars.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 1/9/2015 6:21:50 AM

And how do you know since everything must be kept secret and off the boards as per game policy (which is what I think should be addressed, before Nik0 decides that this is off topic for this thread)? GMs being banned would be proof that there is an effort from GMs/EGMs, but not all GMs have always acted responsibly ;) (at least in the past).

Last edited by Lemonshine at 1/9/2015 6:24:42 AM

But believe me this will not change your opinion if we are doing the job as we have to do or not since you will not have an overall view of a specific case because i don't think that any game is releasing the ways it detects the cheaters or any other violation.

Yeah perhaps, but at least we would see something like: Day1: Foto fines Yellowcake for transfer; Day4 Foto fines Yellowcake for transfer; Day5: Foto fines Yellowcake for transfer; Day7 Foto bans Yellowcake for inappropriate language on forums; Day13 Foto bans Yellowcake permanently for inappropriate language on forums; Day 20 Foto rejects Yellowcake appeal. You get the gist of it...

ANY information is better than NO information, not only to understand if something is being done when someone reports a misconduct (leniency towards cheaters is also a big problem), but also to have a better understanding of what is going on. You're right that I will still have not enough information to decide whether a GM has acted well or not in my example, but I will at least be able to understand if something else is going on (i.e. they may have been banned for something completely different, although that's unlikely). If a GM bans 2 people with the same IP because they traded to each other, I could go and check if at least the trading part is true. Clearly with no further explanations and no information about what happened in the eyes of the GM, I will still take the managers' side if it makes sense (also because, knowing them, I have no reason whatsoever to doubt them and I can vouch for them the same way Perpete stands by other GMs and I believe anybody touched directly would feel the same way).

Also look at it this way. What are the drawbacks of providing minimal info about what happens with bans and people reported? That you help cheating? The drawback of no information is that nobody can see whether something is being done or not and what are the accusations against people. You don't even need to put the value of the fines in order to do this and dispel the doubts that secrecy is there to protect GMs rather than avoiding flame wars.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 1/9/2015 6:40:18 AM