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For some reason I thought $ 30 000 was the max. :-) Okay, so it's 0/5/10/20/40.

The mean is somewhat high for my conference even with the real max value (and not the 30 000 I thought it was), but I haven't considered the expectations of the 3 new teams in Great 8 enough to judge their spending. It probably makes sense to spend more for 2-3 teams in that conference.

I expect my conference to have a 5-5-5-10-10-20-20-40 type of distribution, which is not dominated by outliers and where the mean is almost the same as the median value. Great 8 is trickier, it's probably more like 5-5-10-10-20-20-40-40. This is the top league, so there may be more big spenders than I expect.

WTF is with new endings of a game ;/ 2 min to go and my C is shooting for 3 in close game in 14 sec of an action;/ 2 opposite players shoot the 3 ball and it were their firs shot of the game :D

GE sucks

There's a vast difference between "the GE may have a flaw or two that is being addressed" and "GE sucks".

The latter is simply false.

I read all the thread now and i hope its not too late : )

First of all, no users posting here from the biggest community in BB, Spain, a very few Italians, no much people from Germany and France also. And what about South America Countries? Nearly no one here!

In the other side a lot of messages from people in very small countries giving an opinion that i absolute disagree, specially about the economy changes and the 10%-20% increases in the wages (coming in 2 seasons). There is also here a debate with the wages and the impact in B3.

Some info:

Spain has 5433 users
Italy has 3920 users
Polska has 2798 users
Usa has 2167 users
France has 1449 users
Lietuva, Latvija and Eesti are over 5000 if we count the 3 as 1.
Argentina and Germany and Portugal also are over 1000.

If teams from countries with 25 users or 100 or even 400 are fighting for winning the B3 all those years, something is not working here. Its clear that Less competitive leagues give huge advantages to fight for the B3. Only a team from a great league, Springfield Drunkers, has won once the B3, in his first year, and made 2 finals, but he has been forced to play the promotion Play Offs to stand in Serie A last season, and in season 5 he didnt make the POs.
He has never won the Italian Serie A the years he played the B3.

Teams from Sweden, Nederlands, Osterreich, Norway and Canada are making 1/4 finals easily (in most of the cases winning easyly their own leagues), and very strong teams from Spain (for example) most of the times lost in Round1/Round2. Only Granada Stars arrived once to the 1/4 finals, and if we except Italy and sometimes USA, its hard to see teams from the most populated countries in the final rounds of the B3.

Even if we accept some exceptions, the best managers are in the most populated countries (more teams, more quality), but we are not seeing this in the B3. Small countries teams can TIE all the league/cup games during the B3, win them and (till last year) they were able to put their best players in the B3 as it was very easy for them to take in control the minutes of his players.
Also they have more economy incomes (better results), better stadiums (no rivalry, no needs to spend in players, they can use a season to spend 40k in wages and invert the rest in stadium and they are going to play in a top division anyway)

And now they want exceptions for the 10-20% players national tax? More advantages? If they are few managers, they have less players to buy, but also there is no rivalry to buy them.
My opinion is that teams from little countries should play between them before the B3 starts and then the best of them go to the B3. Or maybe 2 or 4, but never all the teams, it is suppossed to be a super competition between the best managers of the world.

And thats not just my opinion, i spoke about that with some of the top teams of Spain and agree.

Its uncomparable to win the league of a top country with 4000-5000 users (as the Spanish/italian champion do) with playing nearly alone in phantom leagues.

I want to see replys and answers from people in populated countries. What do they think?

Regards form Spain.

Last edited by LeYeNdiNhA at 3/18/2009 1:39:05 PM

My opinion is that teams from little countries should play between them before the B3 starts and then the best of them go to the B3. Or maybe 2 or 4, but never all the teams, it is suppossed to be a super competition between the best managers of the world.

It's not about the best managers, its about the best teams. There's prob some great managers in the game that started later and/or come from bigger countries where it takes longer to become strong.

What you think it should be and what it is are different at this point. Though, it appears there will be quite an uproar if the BBs take measures to balance the playing field.

I want to see replys and answers from people in populated countries. What do they think?

Oh, right. Well i agree with your point, but i dont agree that smaller countries should start or play in a different B3. Love to see more balance, though I'm not sure what is the best way to achieve it.

Last edited by brian at 3/18/2009 2:00:50 PM

I think the best way to achieve it is to let the cup runner up qualify for the BBB in the situation where the Cup winner is also the top division winner. That would solve all of the problems. :)

It's not about the best managers, its about the best teams. There's prob some great managers in the game that started later and/or come from bigger countries where it takes longer to become strong.

What you think it should be and what it is are different at this point. Though, it appears there will be quite an uproar if the BBs take measures to balance the playing field.

I think that the best managers should have the best teams, the problem is that countries with 20 players have the same conditions as countries with thousends.

Maybe its just my problem and what i think it should be sounds crazy for some people (i understand it), but lets go the debate..

I started in the Vth division of Spain and i had to promote 4 in a row to get the ACBB, its not the same start in a big country or start in a little one. The advantages for the small one are too big.

Oh, right. Well i agree with your point, but i dont agree that smaller countries should start or play in a different B3. Love to see more balance, though I'm not sure what is the best way to achieve it.

Its not the only way. Maybe a proportional players from all the countries based in their population, maybe Italy (for example) deserves to send 8 teams, and other countries just 1.

Or you can base it in the power of the country at NT level (ranking), or both things, NT level + Population of the country.

A half or more of the Buzzerbeater community cant access to this forums just because they dont know English, and this are the forums in wich the BBs are, so the debate that we see here its important, and all the points of view should be shown.

Last edited by LeYeNdiNhA at 3/18/2009 2:47:03 PM

Also the Italians agrees with you. Personally I will not touch the BBB but I will change the merchandising income and also the fan basis. I think more or less everyone in the best division has something around 3500 fans, I will change the fan basis (it means change the money earned every home match) following the numbers of active users per country, for ex. next season your fan basis can be grow of 500 people, in Italy 450, in Island only 100 in order to balance the huge difference among the countries. As in the reality I think that Lakers has more fans that Siena, it means better incomes. In baseball I've to pay to play here in Italy in USA I can be millionare maybe
Anyway the focus isn't the BBB, the real problem when you face great teams coming from small countries is to compete with them on the market, the BBs should be understand that on a long term this is a big advantage for them compare to teams that plays in Spain, USA and so on, they can easily win (killing their championship imho) so they can easily expand the arena = much money.

100% agree..

New measures in economy are also needed to balance the game at international level, or a few teams from little countries will dominate BB.

, I will change the fan basis (it means change the money earned every home match) following the numbers of active users per country, for ex. next season your fan basis can be grow of 500 people, in Italy 450, in Island only 100 in order to balance the huge difference among the countries. As in the reality I think that Lakers has more fans that Siena, it means better incomes.

The real crux is that the gap is not the small countries v big countries.. it is who signed up in season 1 who should be better than those that signed up in season 2 then those in season 3... if training / management was the same then season 8 starters have a long way to go no matter which country they start in.

What has exaggerated the problem is that thru the amount of playable countries the percentages of new users are scattered from the 0.1% to maybe 6% depending on the popularity of the game in each location.

Why not just re-distribute ALL teams based on a global ranking into equal regions/divisions.... Forget countries altogether (apart from your initial chosen country) so that Japanese can compete with Italian/Spanish/USA teams in a mixed league.... then as new teams enter they get distributed evenly so that there is never an issue over who is it easiest for.

Lakers sure have more fans than Siena however if the quality of the teams and PR was better then perhaps Siena could really establish themselves on the world map.

Your proposal might seem fair to those already playing but if 2 new managers signed up tomorrow it would still not be fair.

The ONLY way in my opinion to create equality is to create equal leagues....

We play seasons every 14 weeks.... PL's are more exciting for a lot of teams than their own national title... why not just convert the PL's into more meaningful competitions and merge every nation....

National teams would still be very much active and if the drafts were still defaulted to the initial clubs nationality everything would still work as it does today.

BB3 is too much of a lottery.. as nice as it is it would be a reward for those that qualified to play mini leagues guaranteeing 4-6 matches before a knock out stage. Despite it being arcade, HCA is still vital to get to the latter stages in most cases....



Last edited by Superfly Guy at 3/19/2009 3:51:40 AM

What about 32 leagues of 1500 users (approx)

Seeded based on the latest BB rankings...

1st in ladder progresses to Gold BB3, 2nd to Silver BB3, even 3rd/4th etc or a Cup BB3.. there are endless possibilities...

It is surely going to come to a stage soon where starting life out in a Div 6 in some countries gives a monumental learning/progression curve.

Its a radical suggestion but one none the less for consideration... I cant imagine top teams being opposed to it as they should be better than most top teams from smaller countries and should progress up their ladder faster or force the top team from the smaller nations to play at a much higher level.

Smaller teams and new teams joining should on average join a ladder at a better starting point with more structured chance of progressing....

Downside is you lose maybe some very close rivalries but then why not use PL's to replicate the best of Italy or the best of Spain if you want to see who is the best from each nation?? If you want to see who is the best in BB then teams should play competitively cross border every week.