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Date: 5/17/2012 3:23:16 AM
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Dear NT,

So sorry for my word "I really cannot give this chance to NT", Because I really don't want to be Singapore U21 team like last season Singapore Senior team. That's why .... please forgive me. I already said before. I am also not singaporean, I am also same like you from oversea. That's why I thinking about for bro Audi* also. Actually the problem is coming from last season National Team election. If last season election bro Eric would be win, I hope I can see Ben will be active and he will be win again this election. Actually you are the good scout and helping to SG also. After election whatever result i wanna see you will help to Singapore team. You are not villain.

Regards,
Ko Phyo

Last edited by Ko Phyo at 5/17/2012 3:25:19 AM

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Date: 5/17/2012 3:26:29 AM
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Of course some managers are better than others. And I surely know what is the situation in some NT election. Some managers have managed for so long that they lost their passion, but he got voted anyway because people don't want changes or the other candidates are too bad. In some countries, the vote sample is so small that the one with 2 votes win. This is especially common for some small countries, like Barbados. Before the election, many unknown managers who have only played for 1-2 seasons jump out from nowhere and candidate themselves. They want something new. They elect for themselves.I know all this stuff. And I am not such a kind of person. But you still need to admit that most NT / U21 coach are managers with real ability, like Ben.

I don't really think there is much point arguing about this. And I am regretted that you said that I think of you all as gods as I've never had the chance to take over a U21. Honestly I don't think you or my local HK U21 manager is a god. And I do not daydream everyday taking over a U21 one day. I enter this election because of Ben, to continue his work and mission. And I'm pretty sure I will not enter any U21/ NT election after this.

One point to add: we all know this season we are the host. That's also why I enter because I am the one with some related experience. It's true that every great manager has their first time. But you need time to familiarize with all the things. It’s difficult to have success to right away and the price may be costly.

Last edited by Naughty Teacher at 5/17/2012 3:35:49 AM

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Date: 5/17/2012 3:32:05 AM
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Well, if you are saying i don't have the basic, that is a point to say, maybe i really don't have.

But just to inform you, the skill set you say, are really good. but there are some problem,

If wanna train kind of stats,

1)Unless that trainer do not have other player to concentrate on..

2)What if the trainer are new in the game, where and how you at the player to get fund for trainer?

3)Look at DivII.2 - Div II.4, How many Bot are there? how many of them are turning in BOT soon?

4)The Patience of the trainer? which manager dont want to win and get promoted?

5)Look at those team that are training players, Most of them are from Div II.1, For other league, yes there is, but the standard in the league is different? Team in other league are much easier to get promoted up to SBBL.*i'm not saying those team are weak, lucky or whatever*

6)If you look at our div II. Div II.1 are the toughest league, see how many SG NT player are in there, everyone is stuck there as there is our mini SBBL. If for *example*, flyersonic willing to train that kind of player while training his peh as well, how you expect him to survive in the league? As season goes, Peh salary will be increasing, how is he going to earn money via income to build up a team to win the title to get promoted when there are team like SHP, who dont train SG player and build such strong team.

7) One thing is, Look at msia, how many user do you guys have? How many team does communicate with the nation via forum? For SG, as you can see, who are those people chatting in forum? It's always the same few people, while the rest of the team, Most team are just logging in, to reply mail that Ben and other scout send, and doing other setting for training and match. They are not really completing. This will harm league income.

8) The player u mention, He is from Nick Of Time, and you should know, look at all this while, he is always at the top flight of MBBA, Maybe 1) he had the fund which he earn during season 3 till sesson 10, to allow him to be build a team to win MBBA. OR 2) he already train out a team of player that can help him.
With a strong team, training 1-2 player, wont harm him much, wont cause him to get demoted to div2.

9) I believe, if you ask eric or ben, they could also train out this kind of player. But Look at our SBBL team, how competitive we are facing? the standard of our team in SBBL is totally different, everyone is trying to build a better team to represent singapore in B3, as each season goes, the challenge become more and more hard. 1 bad move, we may get demoted. Look at our season 19 winner, one charge, there he goes, SBBL and SG cup champion.

*The standard of game, and the way of the country behaving is different. I really hope you understand, i'm not saying MBBA is weak or what, is just that there are different kind of challenge.*

All this that i said may sound messy.
There may be more other point but this is few that i could think of, as i'm at work now.
You could feel that i'm finding excuse but this is the facts.
Sorry if my words has offended anybody in SG or MSIA, i dont have any ill meaning behind, it's just my weakness in using words to describe.

Sorry/Thanks to all.

Regards
Audi*

Last edited by Audi* at 5/17/2012 3:45:48 AM

From: Ko Phyo

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Date: 5/17/2012 3:33:37 AM
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Bro LA-Terfu,

:) I said that's why I suppose to do high level in this season. My focus is at least semi-final in this season. need to talk about responsibility of a U21 manager? That is I dont know yet I mean I need to talk about so early. I not yet touching the U21 team. I know about what you mean. But I cannot say easily. That's so many responsibility. I am fresher so that interview i wanna say I will try the best. I will answer your 2nd and 3rd questions, give me a little bit time.

Regards,
Ko Phyo

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Date: 5/17/2012 4:08:33 AM
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Nice post bro Audi*,
I really like this post.

I wanna say somethings....

6)If you look at our div II. Div II.1 are the toughest league, see how many SG NT player are in there, everyone is stuck there as there is our mini SBBL. If for *example*, flyersonic willing to train that kind of player while training his peh as well, how you expect him to survive in the league? As season goes, Peh salary will be increasing, how is he going to earn money via income to build up a team to win the title to get promoted when there are team like SHP, who dont train SG player and build such strong team.

7) One thing is, Look at msia, how many user do you guys have? How many team does communicate with the nation via forum? For SG, as you can see, who are those people chatting in forum? It's always the same few people, while the rest of the team, Most team are just logging in, to reply mail that Ben and other scout send, and doing other setting for training and match. They are not really completing. This will harm league income.


This situation is need to talk about LA-Terfu question #2. But in here i say about for my point of view, is not for answer question #2.

I already post in other forum. We have a limit. What you want to do and what you want to be. That's why so many managers and so many styles. I also thinking about SHP style. Actualy I thinking about EBC rank 1 in Singapore. STN I difficult to release my 2 SG rosters. whatever they improve or not I will use a lot of money for trainer and this 2 trainee. If I will sell I will sure lost money, 2nd things some of the games and title were lost because of training plan. Last season I lost one of my back up SG because of economy. After that I lost my team balance also. So I hope managing skill is need to control of balance.
One of the interesting thing in this game is training plan. Because most of the manager games of sport you can train all the position. here only can train some position and also maintain limit of training time.
In Singapore League most of the teams are training Singapore rosters. But they have the limit. May be about 30 teams managers in SG Leagues are training the SG rosters. Some are training for senior team, some are training for junior team. So National Team manager are difficult to discuss for National team rosters, what skill he want for each roster. Because the trainer side have their situation. Staff budget, roster salary, quantity of trainee, and maintain for their team success. That's why this job is very difficult. Actually I thinks about 20 managers are take care of their training plans. But difficult to find who will train their trainee all the way for Senior National Team. Actually lvl 4 trainer is not enough for national team rosters, lvl 5 trainer is really expensive. Finally I wanna say is National team manager is really big challenge. Must need to work together.

Ko Phyo
From: Audi*

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Date: 5/17/2012 6:13:34 AM
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My management skill is up to my fellow mates to analyze and rate. For what I have done, prove is there. I'm more on a type I do it with action to prove rather than being talking giving away so many info. Some people are born to be good talker but what happen when they hands on? They are bad, totally bad.

I don't dunno what make u say we dint put effort in our community, at least Singapore is not doing some dirty move, unlike some bigger country, like creating team to hold some monster

Well, I dint say don't do it? And I'm not blaming anything

And I did say, it's just an idea, and it's not a must to assign, while i will still discuss with the manager and management of sg, so I dunno y you are so against it, unless you are one of our management member? But I see not, cos you are Malaysian u21 manager. I'm glad that u are willing to help, but the way u talk in here, is like you are challenging to be u21 SG. And one thing is, my way of training guards for Singapore has already prove, so my training knowledge is there just that is different with you, it's like everyone has their own way of handling, nothing is wrong, it's all about how to improve.

About personal gain, if I really wan personal gain, what for I put in effort in truing YJS and SQX? I could long ago purchase other player and fight my way to sbbl. And I believe community of Singapore, are willing to help Sg,

Yes, there are many way to enjoy bb, but personally, I don't feel MBBA is fun, the challenge is not there, the old same 2 winner are there while what are other people doing? Training players? Don't fully seem like.. But in sbbl, we are not only just want to win sbbl, sg cup or b3. We are concern about or national team as well. That make the fun of Singapore, it's so challenging. If purely training player without challenge for any title might as well call bot? Cos those team are just training player like dead.

And well, I just saw your post in ur u21, I just realise, how much effort ur community had put in for this election, maybe like what u say, they are all concern about training player, perhaps are most of the club control by the same few manager? And also, seem like the way u handle u21 is not good, look at ur popularity.
It's still the same I wanna say, differen country has different way of culture for playing and etc...

Last edited by Audi* at 5/17/2012 6:27:10 AM

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