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hi everyone, firstable sorry for my english
I think there are more serious things than BB and that it is not good to take the head (i don't know if this french speaking can be translated word for word) for a game, there is a way for all the gaming experiences you want,
everyone is free,
long live HGL and long live HGK ... i have a dream : maybe one day we can have a pick up game between the two winners

Last edited by WiMaOl at 5/21/2025 1:18:15 PM

Interesting debate. I think HGL was a great idea. And it is also interesting because it is played twice a week. The private league is played only once a week. If I am not mistaken.
If I were a supporter, I would continue to play in HGL and I would definitely play HGK if they accepted me. The more matches, the better. I would not consider HGK as something bad for HGL, but as an opportunity to play more matches. But that is just my personal biased opinion.

Thank you for your opinions on this, Hadar. It is nice to hear what others are thinking.

Yes, PLs are only once a week. Which is a positive for the HGL as it has 2 per week.

And, yes, playing in both would only mean more HG games.

(Although, Wagner may not want me back in the HGL )

And I agree. Why can't both exist and provide more HG games!

And, Hadar, go to the Home Grown Kings post and say you want ot play...and you're in

Last edited by MrJ at 5/21/2025 10:04:19 PM

hi everyone, firstable sorry for my english
I think there are more serious things than BB and that it is not good to take the head (i don't know if this french speaking can be translated word for word) for a game, there is a way for all the gaming experiences you want,
everyone is free,
long live HGL and long live HGK ... i have a dream : maybe one day we can have a pick up game between the two winners

Thanks, WiMaOl and I really like that dream!

However, if the same teams are playing in both (which to me makes sense), then there is the potential for the same team to win both at some point. lol

Thank you for offering your opinion too, WiMaOl.

@ Wagner...

You have put an enormous effort and time into setting up and maintaining the HGL. While a few of us helped get it up and going initially, you have done most of the heavy-lifting. I think I speak for everyone when I say thank you and well done.

And, to my point, the HGL isn't going anywhere. It's not going to be damaged by other HG leagues being created. You have created a strong foundation for the HGL.

And as others have mentioned, and I agree, more HG leagues means more HG games. Isn't that, after all, a great thing for HG managers? I would also argue it might generate more interest in non-HG teams to learn more about being HG.

We already have managers playing in both. This is a positive.

As WiMaOl noted...there are more important things than BB and this is just a game. So why not get from this game that which makes you happy? If only playing in the HGL makes you happy, great. If being a Supporter and playing in PLs makes you happy, great. If playing in both or neither makes you happy, well that's what you should do. This is what I meant by 'options'. It wasn't a cop-out, just an observation.

You have heard me refer to the Fishbowl (an Australian PL) which was very successful and enjoyable back in the day. One of the things that made it great was that the PLs weren't set up by a single person each time. It wasn't driven by a single person. Instead, because it was well loved and received, someone, anyone, would create and initiate it each season for a number of seasons. To me, that speaks volumes about the 'interest' rather than the 'individuals'.

This is why I said people will choose what they choose regardless of any one person's strong opinion. Options are good. If it's successful, people will want to be a part of it. If it's not, people will move away from it.

The HGL and the HGK can coexist.

That's a cool idea

Yes, PLs are only once a week. Which is a positive for the HGL as it has 2 per week.
And, yes, playing in both would only mean more HG games.
(Although, Wagner may not want me back in the HGL)
And I agree. Why can't both exist and provide more HG games!
And, Hadar, go to the Home Grown Kings post and say you want ot play...and you're in

Thanks for the invitation, when I become a supporter I will definitely get in touch ;)
And I don't think Wagner wouldn't want you in HGL. I think it's a good thing that you exchanged a few opinions. Everyone can have their own view on things.

Yes, PLs are only once a week. Which is a positive for the HGL as it has 2 per week.
And, yes, playing in both would only mean more HG games.
(Although, Wagner may not want me back in the HGL)
And I agree. Why can't both exist and provide more HG games!
And, Hadar, go to the Home Grown Kings post and say you want ot play...and you're in

Thanks for the invitation, when I become a supporter I will definitely get in touch ;)
And I don't think Wagner wouldn't want you in HGL. I think it's a good thing that you exchanged a few opinions. Everyone can have their own view on things.

Agreed.

And healthy too.

As for conversations indirectly related to HGL, I need to get back to them at a later time as I'm kind of busy and HGL playoffs are closing in, which is of course number one priority as it requires a weekly action from every manager who is still involved in playoffs (except on first playoff week/round for teams that are ranked from 1st to 4th on regular season and will be automatically qualified for the Second Round of Playoffs).

So, couple of reminders.

First Round of Playoffs will take place on Sunday 1st of June, in which teams ranked 5th to 12th will face each other in one match, from which winners proceed to face 4 best teams of Regular Season (on Round 2 of playoffs).

As you guys probably remember, for teams in equal number of wins after regular season, decisive factor in determining who is a better team is not the scoring difference (scored minus allowed points), but rather a score of the match against the team that you have equal number of wins with.

Official Regular Season Rankings (ORSR) will be published after last Round of Regular Season. Of course you can see them by yourself too (as you check out your season scores between that team in question and yourself), but First Round match challenges are sent based on the aforementioned ORSR.

Another very important thing to remember, that differs from Regular Season, is that all Playoff matches are played on home/away court setting (no exceptions; scores played with wrong court settings won't be accepted). Please be very accurate with this (also) when organizing matches.
As a basic rule, home team is always responsible sending challenge, but it's also acceptable for an away team to send the challenge to speed up the match organizing process, if they are willing to use an extra token (that won't be reimbursed for them).

Official match times will remain the same as in Regular Season of HGL, so in other words everyone plays at the same time official time as during the Regular Season.

Now that in Europe we are using Daylight Savings Time (Summer Time) currently, official HGL match time is 3.30PM Eastern European Time (EET) Daylight Savings Time (DST), (in other words 15.30 EET DST).
So basically, if I understood it right, in most cases (I didn't yet verify if this completely applies to US and especially Australian teams, as especially in Australia the DST is observed way diffferently than in Europe) that means that it's plus one hour to your official HGL match time now that it's Summer Time.

While I normally don't like to provide extra links to external websites to verify things, one of the options would be to enter that aforementioned time 3.30PM/15.30 EET Daylight Savings Time to a webpage, for example to timeanddate.com, and then in there do a time conversion by entering your home city, to see what time in your home city equals 3.30PM/15.30 EET DST.

This will be the time that everyone uses when organizing Playoff matches for HGL.

As a refresher for Playoffs, I'd encourage everyone to do this:
1. Go into the first page of Home-Grown League (HGL) Season 1 Official Thread (yes, this thread, first post here: (326589.1)).
2. Use your browser's search function, enter word playoff to the search bar, and make search function to highlight all 'playoff' words from that page (first page of this thread concerns all 11 first official posts on this thread)
3. Read through at least all notes that include that highlighted word 'playoffs'
4. Especially read through this post: (326589.10)
5. If you are still unsure how rankings for Playoffs are made, check out HGL league table posts. Official Regular Season Rankings (ORSR) for Playoffs are made by Commissioner though, so nobody needs to worry about them too much.

I still ask everyone to check Playoff matchups out immediately so that they are correct (work is done manually).

2 Rounds of Regular Season left, and still some very important matches ahead!

Last edited by Wagner at 5/23/2025 7:50:45 AM

League tables updated after Round 14!

Couple of especially interesting matches ahead on last Round 15 of Regular Season. We could actually have a 10-5 tie between 4 teams, if Suuret Muinaiset wins their last Round match against WiMaOlCa (very close score to be anticipated based on Top8-salaries), and favorites to win their respective matches, Elan Demars and Rajdersi, will take care of the business on the floor on next Monday.

Other of those 4 teams than WMO and SUM have already faced each other during the season, but if SUM wins their last Round match, they will overtake (at least) WMO in Regular Season standings - like you can see, I still didn't do all the comparison/re-check who has won who during Regular Season (out of these 4 teams).

And if all these teams are tied at 10-5, one of them will claim "a free ticket" for the Second Round of Playoffs, as we're talking about teams ranked from 4th to 7th here. Free ticket is in some ways less than ideal way to express it though, as they've certainly had to win plenty of games earn that position!

It's great that there's something to play for even in the last round.

@ all HGL managers:
HGL Playoffs of Season 1 are just behind the corner, so here's some last minute advice for all HGL managers (yes, also those not qualified for Playoffs are asked to do a minor edit to their box score posts).



What will happen next?

1. Every HGL manager is advised to update their own box score post for Season 1 Playoffs, the way I did it in my own box score post, here: (326590.44).

Easiest way to do this is to copy paste everything from my post, below the Regular Season schedule/scores, on other words starting from words "HGL Season 1 Playoffs:" till the end of post, including all abbreviations explained)

After you have copy-pasted that, please add and/or keep on adding either scores from that Round with a match link (like during Regular Season, and during RS match organizing process), or an appropriate abbreviation, for the full duration of Playoffs.
For instance:
-Santa Eufemia Ducks would use AQR2 abbreviation for First Round,
-Buckner Bandits NQP, and
-Madrid Chotis wouldn't yet write anything as his team is qualified for playoffs but First Round opponent and score are yet to be determined - he would update his own box score post and add a match link to that post, once the challenge has been sent and accepted.

If these sound tricky, please do check out my post, abbreviations are explained, however they're also more or less self-explanatory.

2. After last Round of Regular Season, I will create ORSR (Official Regular Season Rankings).

3. Based on ORSR, home teams (team, that has a higher Regular Season Ranking) send correct (time and court balance home/away!)challenges to away teams. Yes, this time they really are home and away teams - remember, that Playoff games played on neutral court do not count!

Also an away team can send a challenge if they want to speed up the process, but they will then lose one extra token. If it's fine for them, then by all means anyone (home or away team) can send the challenge on those cases.

4. Again, please remember that official HGL match times remain the same during Playoffs as well.
So as we are utilizing Daylight Savings Time (DST, a.k.a. Summer Time) in Eastern Europe and therefore current official HGL match time is now 15.30 or 3.30PM EET due to that, that would mean for instance 14.30/2.30PM in France, Spain, and so on.

If you are hesitant about time, just ask me a question or check out that aforementioned timeanddate.com for example. If you enter for example "Helsinki" in there, which is located in EET time zone, and enter 15.30/3.30PM there to make a time conversion to your own city, you should find a correct match time.

Please do not accept match offers during Playoffs in which times are way off (more than maximum of 1 hour).

Same kind of "maximum 1 hour off from official HGL match time" (as used during Regular Season match organizing process) can be accepted/tolerated during Playoffs, but please do not willingly/on purpose abuse this tolerance, but try to play matches on correct times.
For most remaining teams knowing correct match time shouldn't be a problem as we all have organized Regular Season matches fairly successfully (within 1 hour tolerance), and for Heywood Big Dogs they also seemed to find a correct time for sending challenges (time differences between Australia and Europe are especially challenging, but that's another story for another day).

Official Regular Season Rankings (ORSR) and Playoffs schedule will be published here: (326590.7).

Last edited by Wagner at 5/26/2025 5:46:50 AM