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I voted yes for this second team idea , sorry if my english is bad and you dind´t understood my point. I love this game and I will play this till I die I am 22 yers old player so I have time to wait for this new development if this doesn´t come. I hope it will come!

Please don't do that, it's going to be like that - first team for playing, the second team for farming, if I had an opportunity to have the second team I would definitely be farming, not competing, especially if there is no opportunity to get into B3.

why BB suddenly come up with such idea, is it because Wolph wrote on his page that he is leaving the game because of lack of competition?

Is this possible --> Make junior leagues for these second teams to every country? Because almost everyone is telling that this second team would be for younger players for develop. Yes there could be bots also but I think it is okey and this idea would be only for supporters. Because then you get new supporters and after it, you can make some new ideas happen again

Everything that is tested is probably documented somewhere in these threads and posts,
If you read and search for information to help you in this game, there are no secrets
Anything new or different that somebody has tried has been researched somewhere
you don't need a second team or even supporter to find this information

Marin,

Thanks for all the work you've put into the game, and the improved community outreach. I really think all the changes that have been made are for the better. However, this is one change that I cannot support as it's currently proposed.

The main issues revolve around NT players and prospects. Currently, the best way to help your NT is to train your own nation's players. Since there's a restriction on this for second teams (which I agree is needed), what is the best way to help your NT now? Since second teams can't make the B3, what is the incentive to have this second team win? And no offense to Bermuda, but I doubt the goal of winning a Bermuda league title is going to be so enticing to prevent some of the actions listed below. There are several countries in this game where you can sit comfortably in D1 or D2 and bank a lot of money. Here are some things these players are allowed to do:

1. Firing players - Last season, a Canadian team was created, bought one of our NT players (12460055), and immediately fired him. Since no one was willing to play 1mil for this guy, he was retired. The Canadian team never logged in again. This is not a huge issue for the USA or other large country national teams, but smaller countries rely on players that won't sell for 1mil.

2. Buying prospects - Save up some money and buy another nations best prospects. Every season you could save up enough money to buy the best 18 year old of a country. I don't see a plausible restriction to prevent this.

3. Buy and sell opponents NT players to get a GS hit before important matches.

4. Draft - In a large country, just tank and scoop up the best prospects. I can't see a good restriction to differentiate between this being a competitive strategy to actually train another NT player, or a strategy to remove a prospect from the pool.

I wouldn't do any of this, but as we can see with the Canadian manager, there are people who would. Even if 99% of people play fair, it still could be a problem. A coordinated effort by 3-4 people sitting in micro nation D1 leagues around the world could pretty much ruin any nation's NT by just buying and firing/transferring current NT players, or ruining prospects. And since it's so close at the top levels, one person could have enough of an affect to change the outcome of the worlds tournament.

I feel creating a "BB nation" with it's own set of players, market, and teams would be the best course if action here, especially if you allow people to purchase the feature, without supporter, for a lower cost than supporter. Teams in micronations could join and get the competitiveness they're looking for without having their nation invaded by Americans (in BB - can't comment on our foreign policy). Even teams that are in large countries could welcome the extra challenge of getting to D1 in the "BB Nation." You could fill 5 leagues with 5456 teams, or about 17% of the current users. How many competitive D5 leagues are there currently? Wouldn't that be fun?

The "BB Nation" would, I think, hit all 4 of the pros you mentioned in the second post, and be much better for the "reduce cheating" one. It would solve the first and 3rd cons listed, and I don't think the second one is really a con.

Sorry for the length of this post, but I think this idea is better than the current proposal. Thanks again for all your hard work.

This only works in theory.

I don't wanna be a supporter because of that.

Fix the trainning and I (and others) could be a supporter.
Or supporters having more ways to trainning more players.
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I see a lot of people suggesting the one time fee for a second team but this just results in a very short term solution. I feel that most people that wish to buy a second team would do so right away. An influx of money all at once might make things a little better for now but will not help with true longevity.

The extra teams might eventually cause the need of an extra server or something else which could cause it to lose money in the long run.

In order for the extra team idea to make sense it needs to be a consistent revenue source. Perhaps supporters get it for free and non-supporters pay $5 per season to keep the team. This would cost someone $20 a year for a second team, or half the supporter cost for that year.

I think a new poll needs to be made. For anyone that is a current non-supporter, would the option to have a second team convince you to become a supporter? If only current supporters have second teams then all of this is for nothing.

Also Utopia Country is the best way to go, but I think it should be on the same server as the current game. They should be able to compete in cups and B3 but the forumlas that pick matchups need to account for your own teams not playing each other.

1. Firing players - Last season, a Canadian team was created, bought one of our NT players (12460055), and immediately fired him. Since no one was willing to play 1mil for this guy, he was retired. The Canadian team never logged in again.

This is not possible - NT players cannot be fired
Besides these players are a dying breed, teams pick them up without knowing they can't fire them.
And new times are no longer allowed to buy such players
The guy sold for under $60k - If he was so important to the U.S. why didn't some patriotic American owner buy him for $70K?
Because he's useless and only serves to prop up NT, these guys NEED to be done away with