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264729.247 in reply to 264729.241
Date: 1/6/2015 7:44:15 AM
Durham Wasps
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Also, I never said in previous messages that we are lacking GMs. Either I can't make myself clear in english or you are putting the words you want to hear in my mouth.

As Lemon has pointed out already he said that and not me. Both you and your countryman seem to find it difficult to distinguish between me and another English based manager.

I've reread what I posted originally. I've not criticised the GMs, so I don't really understand why I receive such a condescending and arrogant reply. I know you're known for your sarcasm, but this really wasn't warranted.

You can go on twisting my words to suit your purposes and of course you can accuse me of saying things other managers have said to "prove" your point.

I reiterate, I worded my post in a very diplomatic way. Your response is disappointing.

I'm really not sure what to say about holding a community hostage. Frankly you're being silly.

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264729.248 in reply to 264729.246
Date: 1/6/2015 8:18:09 AM
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Thanks for picking this up Nickleon. I read all the 124 posts and I see there were several users and GMs who actually participated in that thread. That is refreshing.

The whole point Charles was making is that these decisions are by nature subjective, the amount of time they take is not as straightforward as Perpete was trying to make it look, as many cases constitute a gray area and need solid proof. He talked about needing evidence, yet in my example a user who has been around since S3 was banned, likely for something which was well known to everybody for years. If the GMs were doing their free and unpaid job responsibly, how come the "overwhelming evidence" Charles mentioned has been overlooked for 5 actual years? It is suspicious to say the least, wouldn't you agree? Either 30+ GMs made a mistake for 5 years by not not taking action or a GM made a mistake now. I'm sorry but this completely undermines the GM near infallibility/honesty/resposibility dogma that Perpete keeps repeating like a mantra.

Charles himself did concede:
3) Some sort of feedback in response to cheating reports might be helpful, if there is a way to do it that doesn't lead to debates about what does or doesn't constitute cheating.

For the record I think the points of those who argued in favour of a pillory were significantly more credible and, out of all the people who posted in that thread, I think only RiP made a solid argument in the against camp (which consisted of a couple of users and several GMs) which is similar to what I incorrectly assumed Perpete was making. However, considering the bans (and likely reports) are 1/10 of what they were back then, I think even RiP's point becomes weaker nowadays.

Reading this coming from Perpete, who was already a GM back then, was priceless, though:
I know it's frustrating. I made cheatind report for more than 18 months without knowing what happened to the teams, but I kept doing that, because what was really frustrating was the fact that cheaters were stacking money. I was also enjoying doing my own inquiry. Not knowing if X or Y was sanctionned was a little annoying, but not that much.

As I said it's kind of pointless to beat around the bush any longer. I'll open another thread in Suggestions if I come up with something that had not been clearly proposed back then, but after what happened I just can't think it is reasonable for Perpete to expect and demand blind trust from users.

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264729.249 in reply to 264729.247
Date: 1/6/2015 8:35:44 AM
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I think we should go under cover before someone takes our vibrant disagreements on the national forums as evidence we are the same person with multiple personality disorder :). I'm in Italy at the moment and have been in Romania recently, so that would require some investigation of epic proportions!

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264729.252 in reply to 264729.251
Date: 1/6/2015 9:49:50 AM
Durham Wasps
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What I see in that discussion is wild accusations towards the GMs and I try to answer it.

I've not made wild accusations. I could, since given no reason to believe otherwise, I suspect I know who banned Astra, and I suspect I know why.

I think my first post on the matter is the most level headed post in this discussion. Certainly more level headed than the responses, hardly any of which actually respond to anything I've said.

I don't really understand why your attitude to me is one of a victim. I've said nothing wrong here, yet I find the responses to me are less than level headed. Despite which I've tried to respond calmly and reasonably. If you can't handle that, I don't think the problem is mine.





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264729.254 in reply to 264729.251
Date: 1/6/2015 10:58:54 AM
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Very level headed! ;)

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