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Several banned users can and will give their side of the story and have support from other users, that doesn't mean the decision was bad. I'm currently on holidays, so not up to date to that case and I'm not saying that was this user is doing, but it's important to take it with a grain of salt and by being objective.

None of us knows and I'm sure there is a reason for what happened, but the lack of information and these kind of situations damage the game as a whole and entire communities, much more than design flaws. I hope you do realise this.

Nobody wants to play a game where the rules are not efficiently safeguarded and misconduct is not prevented/punished (and let's leave it politely and respectfully at that). Everything is kept strictly and completely in the dark, posts promptly removed, so we have nothing but your word on it Perpete. However since every now and then stuff emerges and since nobody in the English community will doubt what Moomins wrote (also because part of it are very well known facts to many) I'm telling you the secrecy and the fact we never know if and how the cheaters we report are dealt with, cast some serious doubts on the fairness of it all.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 1/5/2015 4:51:15 PM

I understand the reason why discussions of this are not allowed. However, I don't know where else I could say this. I've spoken to both the English managers involved in this fairly often. Both as NT manager, and from sharing a league with both of them, at different times. I've spoken to both of them in chat and by mail. I'd be very surprised if it was one person with two different accounts because their syntax, their use of English, is different.

I'd urge Astra, if he sees this to appeal, as that's the only way. If he then chose to quit anyway, that would be totally understandable.

I'd also urge the powers that be to look again at this whole thing, and find out why they were banned, and if it was a mistake, to rectify it.

The fact this debate has been allowed to go this far without deletion shows that even the GMs suspect a mistake may have been made.

Regards, Gully.

I thought I made a fairly reasoned statement, without accusation, without malice. I really don't see what your problem is. I also don't see what it has to do with you.

"If you delete this it is because you want to hide that you are wrong"

"The suspicion that stuff is being swept under the carpet is cool and does not affect the game in any conceivable way. If anything, it clearly encourages people to buy supporter and play longer." How about this other statement?

Last edited by Lemonshine at 1/5/2015 5:08:23 PM

For my presence here, it is called BB Global (English).

I would like to reiterate that I'm simply concerned we have actually forgot a key element which is necessary to user retention and should be added to the list Sid originally made. I understand this might rub people the wrong way, but it is what it is. Are the GMs too few (Perpete point)? Nobody stops anybody from making new ones. Nobody stops them from being more transparent.

The fact that we forgot because we're always kept in the dark it doesn't mean it isn't there and I believe the suspicion alone and even more the knowledge of cases like the one which emerged today is really damaging for the game as a whole. Of course we will never know how the case ended and why, all we can do is to trust that the 30 GMs are doing an excellent (certainly demanding) job. Do you think stuff like this has no impact on people playing?

Sorry I edited while you were typing, CaptainTeemo, but clearly my message is exactly the same, I just reworded it a little, to make it clearer.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 1/5/2015 5:42:59 PM

Discussing this with you seems pointless, as neither I nor Lemon need to justify anything we've said to you. However, I stand by my post, which I feel was both reasonable, and logical. Using observation of past events and comparing them to one happening now isn't specious at all.

What might be specious would be if I said you were only responding here in order to cause an argument in order to get all these posts deleted. But I'd never think that.

None of us knows and I'm sure there is a reason for what happened, but the lack of information and these kind of situations damage the game as a whole and entire communities, much more than design flaws. I hope you do realise this.

It seems like you floated this before and it was answered:

The fact that people will not know in details what happened will just make things worse (....) So you could rename the point: "More transparency" or whatever you like

If we explain why an user is ban, it means that other users will know more how to cheat without getting caught.

No point in beating a dead horse.