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From: MrJ
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Date: 5/19/2025 4:57:08 AM
Swan River Serpents
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Second Team:
Westopian Tigers

Clash of the Titans?

Well, there will be at least one titan...

...and it isn't us.

Tonight the Swan River Serpents (currently 16th on the ladder) come up against fellow Australian Titan, Heywood Big Dogs (currently ranked 4th).

This promises to be an epic game.

Epically bad for the Serpents!

Quick question, Wagner: I didn't see any rule anywhere about players using performance enhancing drugs. So, I guess my boys can use them? We certainly will need something extraordinary to score...well, let's say...50 points tonight.

Good luck tonight, Deano; You will need it. My boys are pumped!

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: Hadár

To: MrJ
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Date: 5/19/2025 5:00:58 AM
Svätý Jur Snakers
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However, as I said, I will be back...and stronger than ever.


That's the best part. Watching your team improve ;)

From: MrJ

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Date: 5/19/2025 5:07:57 AM
Swan River Serpents
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Second Team:
Westopian Tigers
However, as I said, I will be back...and stronger than ever.


That's the best part. Watching your team improve ;)


Agreed, Hadar.

It's already just exciting training again. Loving the triple-pops again!

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: Wagner

To: MrJ
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Date: 5/19/2025 7:07:06 AM
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Quick question, Wagner: I didn't see any rule anywhere about players using performance enhancing drugs. So, I guess my boys can use them? We certainly will need something extraordinary to score...well, let's say...50 points tonight. (:|

Good luck tonight, Deano; You will need it. My boys are pumped!

As a league practice, 5 strong caffeine tablets per match (1 per quarter plus 1 for overtime) are allowed per player.
This might add up to +5% to your FG%, and up to 1 skill pop to your defending and rebounding abilities temporarily, which plays to your advantage (unless Deano's boys also do the same), so thank me later ;D

From: MrJ

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Date: 5/19/2025 7:45:29 AM
Swan River Serpents
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Second Team:
Westopian Tigers

Quick question, Wagner: I didn't see any rule anywhere about players using performance enhancing drugs. So, I guess my boys can use them? We certainly will need something extraordinary to score...well, let's say...50 points tonight.

Good luck tonight, Deano; You will need it. My boys are pumped!


As a league practice, 5 strong caffeine tablets per match (1 per quarter plus 1 for overtime) are allowed per player.
This might add up to +5% to your FG%, and up to 1 skill pop to your defending and rebounding abilities temporarily, which plays to your advantage (unless Deano's boys also do the same), so thank me later ;D


Let's be clear...I need +95% otherwise it's a 100-point punishment tonight!

But I appreciate the clarification, Commissioner Wagner. Now everyone is clear on which drugs can or cannot be taken and in what dose.

And Deano...my Patient Offense, together with an acceptable amount of caffeine tablets, means the Heywood Dogs will be in a dogfight tonight. As in the dogs will fight and the serpents will roll over and play 'dead snake.'

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: Deano25

To: MrJ
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Date: 5/19/2025 8:00:42 AM
Heywood Big Dogs
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Heywood Lions
Never trust a wounded snake, that's my Dad always said, they could lash out at any minute. We'll be on our guard tonight, don't worry about that!

From: Wagner

To: MrJ
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Date: 5/19/2025 8:02:00 AM
Wagner College
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To be fair, if I hadn't been a part of the creation of the HGL with you and others, my team's entry (with $55k salaries) couldn't have been justified. I am sure that every team that has faced me in the HGL thus far this season has done so with out any real thought to game tactics...because my team is essentially a bot-like team. So, my participation in Season 2 is a positive for the HGL I believe. It will allow for a stronger field.

However, as I said, I will be back...and stronger than ever.

Well, justifiable is a flexible term in this case, as team selection criteria in HGL are not "locked" so to speak. Having said that, it was clear from the beginning that score wise it's going to be very difficult season for you with those salaries (just as was the case with Big Chillers), but that's not all there is.

And yes, score wise your team might have been a bot like team for many, and huge score differences aren't totally ideal, I agree. However, while I didn't suspect I wouldn't win your team when we faced, I did try to place optimal tactics (other than predicting your offensive speed and focus) for our match.

And I don't know about you others, but while I'm very serious about HGL, I still also play it for fun. So for me it adds the fun to the experience if I can for instance give some of my older players couple of minutes play time here or there, without having to think about score difference of each game (like in my own "regular" BB league), so also in that sense HGL is a breath of fresh air.

While I don't agree with that mostly, I understand what you meant with your teams' absence from Season 2 being a positive thing for HGL. As long as league isn't getting overcrowded (now we are already 2 teams short of our Season 1 team lineup, even if we'd accept newcomers Hårdboll and Eos), HGL has space for all levels of teams, as long as they're ready and willing to stay committed for the duration of whole season no matter what their season success is.

As a response to your absence creating stronger field, it is true technically as now 2 sub-$60K teams will exit HGL.
But there's a limit when the reduction in amount of teams becomes counterproductive.
I would prefer to see as close as possible to 16 teams playing in HGL each season. So therefore I'd also find it important to have at least large enough amount of teams and being able to play only once (and not twice) per season against each opponent, to keep it more interesting.

What can be done to ensure all this?
Making HGL so good and tempting option, that people will choose it anyway. If we take an all-important fact - that Home-Grown League will always remain free for all participants - into consideration here, then either HGL becoming official part of BB and becoming "an automatically organized league", or remaining as it is now (manually coordinated league) are the only possibilities to ensure Home Grown League to remain free for all.
Home-Grown League remaining free is really the only way to go in my opinion. It should be like US Open, British Open etc., where every qualified participant is given right at least to play play-in matches to determine participation rights for next season, and not like Pay-to-Participate style of Private League (PL).
(Pay to participate style of league is always also in one sense pay to win-style league, as you can't participate without paying).

What else would be beneficial for HGL?
We should do all we can to promote HGL to HG managers still not aware of it, and put our efforts into that one common goal. While HG community in Buzzerbeater is certainly bigger than teams presented in LOPO's list of homegrown teams (not all HG teams are included), it's still not too big and for that reason already, we should put all work towards HGL.
For the future and positive development of HGL, it would be very beneficial also to have only one HG-teams based league for first (not Utopian) teams,

From: MrJ

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Date: 5/19/2025 8:13:11 AM
Swan River Serpents
III.2
Overall Posts Rated:
343343
Second Team:
Westopian Tigers
Never trust a wounded snake, that's my Dad always said, they could lash out at any minute. We'll be on our guard tonight, don't worry about that!


Your dad sounds like a wise man.

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: MrJ

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Date: 5/19/2025 8:43:14 AM
Swan River Serpents
III.2
Overall Posts Rated:
343343
Second Team:
Westopian Tigers


What else would be beneficial for HGL?
We should do all we can to promote HGL to HG managers still not aware of it, and put our efforts into that one common goal. While HG community in Buzzerbeater is certainly bigger than teams presented in LOPO's list of homegrown teams (not all HG teams are included), it's still not too big and for that reason already, we should put all work towards HGL.
For the future and positive development of HGL, it would be very beneficial also to have only one HG-teams based league for first (not Utopian) teams,


I understand you are referencing here the 'other' league. And, as we discussed privately, our opinions differ where this is concerned.

All I will add here is that the HG community is bigger than that we currently know and all HG managers, and indeed all non-HG managers, should have options. Particularly the managers of Utopian HG teams who are excluded from the HGL because...well...just because it seems.

HG is HG. Utopian or otherwise.

EDIT: It seems we have done this dance before you and I (324689.73) and (324689.78)




Last edited by MrJ at 5/19/2025 8:55:15 AM

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: Wagner

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Date: 5/19/2025 9:20:39 AM
Wagner College
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What else would be beneficial for HGL?
We should do all we can to promote HGL to HG managers still not aware of it, and put our efforts into that one common goal. While HG community in Buzzerbeater is certainly bigger than teams presented in LOPO's list of homegrown teams (not all HG teams are included), it's still not too big and for that reason already, we should put all work towards HGL.
For the future and positive development of HGL, it would be very beneficial also to have only one HG-teams based league for first (not Utopian) teams,


I understand you are referencing here the 'other' league. And, as we discussed privately, our opinions differ where this is concerned.

All I will add here is that the HG community is bigger than that we currently know and all HG managers, and indeed all non-HG managers, should have options. Particularly the managers of Utopian HG teams who are excluded from the HGL because...well...just because it seems.

HG is HG. Utopian or otherwise.

Yes, our opinion differs on these things.
Having Utopian teams in HGL is to me against the spirit of HGL, also as Utopian teams are not part of LOPO's original Home-Grown teams-listing (but also for other reasons previously discussed on Homegrown Teams II-thread, that are dreadful to link into this discussion due to not being Supporter; finding something like that later on from a thread is usually an arduous process).

It's a positive thing if and as HG community is bigger than we know, but the key point here is how do we realize the benefit of that to HGL?

From my point of view, benefit for HGL will not be realized by establishing a competing league, that will divide the time&attention of teams and/or reduce participation of teams to HGL. If people who otherwise might have played/participated in HGL will "take the easy way", well, because it's easy, then of course having such league available is a direct and dividing competitor of HGL, that has then effectively reduced the amount of participants in HGL.
How should I see that in a positive light? I don't expect you to give me an answer to this, because I suspect there is no positive one available...

Establishing a separate PL league for only Utopian HG based teams would be completely another story, as it'd be understandable, and from that standpoint it wouldn't directly compete with HGL in terms of participation (as you can't participate in such league with your first team anyway).
To quote you: " all HG managers, and indeed all non-HG managers, should have options. Particularly the managers of Utopian HG teams who are excluded from the HGL".

If you don't stick with offering only Utopian teams this (understandable) opportunity, these "options" offered by you would then quite possibly weaken HGL in the long run, as people in reality are in average very comfort seeking. In some things in life it's a good characteristics (and guarantees the development in many parts of life), but how should I see this being a good thing for HGL in this case?

Like I have said numerous of times, HG community isn't huge and making another league, especially the one that fights against the very important spirit of HGL - being always free to all - I think has a potential to do a major disservice to HGL. I'd like to see HGL in a way being the center point of HG community, that brings all of us together in one.

Other point is that pay-to-participate style of league should never replace HGL as a "premier/go-to"-option, but opinions on this will be differing and eventually that's likely happen in the case of some managers. How is this not a competitor of HGL (as both accept first teams), I´m again asking?

However, it is a fact that I have no means to stop anyone doing anything they want to do in BB, but I can only give my strong recommendation: I don't see that beneficial at all for the future of HGL.

Last edited by Wagner at 5/19/2025 9:26:33 AM

From: MrJ

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Date: 5/19/2025 9:32:29 AM
Swan River Serpents
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Second Team:
Westopian Tigers

Other point is that pay-to-participate style of league should never replace HGL as a "premier/go-to"-option, but opinions on this will be differing and eventually that's likely happen in the case of some managers. How is this not a competitor of HGL (as both accept first teams), I´m again asking?


This is your opinion, Wagner. Respectfully, not everyone will agree. I do not.

I am concerned with ALL HG teams, and excluding some (Utopian HG teams) because they don't fit into your view of what is HG is something, as you know well, I strongly disagree with. HG is HG.

The 'other' league (and I call it this out of respect for your feelings) is an opportunity for managers to have the freedom of choice, as well as being the 'only' HG option for Utopian teams.

BB is big enough for the both of them.

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
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