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224020.23 in reply to 224020.22
Date: 8/20/2012 8:58:59 PM
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So you look at a superstar with a $3000 salary and you think he's a bad prospect. In the old days, he would have had a $4200+ starting salary and looked like a great prospect. But its the same guy, just with different window dressing.


Well, I don't know if 3k translates to 4.2k of some seasons back...afterall, 1.2k is almost 30% of 4.2k.

Also, a 3k player with Superstar potential isn't a great prospect for a U21 country with 550+ teams. I mean, it certainly can be developed into a decent U21 player, but there should be so many players better than him that it isn't likely. But if draft quality regresses even further, we will have to lower our bar, yes.

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I think that might be the main reason why some people think the drafts are getting worse. We can't see the skills, only potential and price and now prices all look 20-40% lower than they used to be.

So you look at a superstar with a $3000 salary and you think he's a bad prospect. In the old days, he would have had a $4200+ starting salary and looked like a great prospect. But its the same guy, just with different window dressing.


We have different opinions on this. I don't only look at the salary. I know their actual skills. Perhaps Bonifika, who also takes part in U21 affair, will agree that a player with $3000 - $3500 salary probably have 2-3 major setbacks, like a PG with 7 in PA and HA but 2 or 3 in OD and JS. And very often the salary goes up coz high levels of RB and SB and this is pretty useless for guards.

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Date: 8/21/2012 12:31:40 AM
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but in the other hand, since the quality of draftees gets lower and lower, there wont be 100k salary guys sellin at the market for 200k anymore soon, since low potencial guys wont reach it. And there will be very few high salary guys.

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Date: 8/21/2012 2:32:48 AM
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i doubt that they changed something at the formula, the draftee are as good or as bad like every.

Some leagues have more luck(ie mine), other not but there will be always whinning.

The only difference is that the starting salary for the same skill got cheaper.

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Date: 8/21/2012 7:55:47 AM
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24 hours after the draft there are 608 players,18 or 19 years old, with MVP or better potential for sale, which is pretty much the same as one season ago, maybe even slightly more.

Thats definitely no change in the high potential percentage.

In my leage, draft is constant too...season 18: 1 HoF, 0 MvP, 1 Superstar; season 19: 0 HoF, 0 MvP, 2 Superstars; season 20: 1 HoF, 1 MvP, 2 Superstars

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my league drafts are constant too: andrea bargniani, darko milicic, kwame brown, and now jonas valanciunas...... omfg....whos next? i think darko saric:D

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Date: 8/22/2012 5:53:04 PM
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I just did the scouting for this season's Slovenian trainees and I was a bit disappointed. Out of 577 teams there are only 12 HoFs and 19 MVPs. There are 132 players with at least 3.5k salary and allstar potential.

132, really? Out of 1731 players? That's 7,6%. I expected more.

The salary changes generally have very, very, very little effect on low end players.

That said, Slovenia only had 8 HOF players >$3500 last season, so I'm not sure why these numbers seem so out of line to you. Looks like 24 MVP+ guys, so a bit of a drop there, but neither are all that different.

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And by comparison...

Slovenia's 12 HOF players out of 1731 means one in every 144 players was 10+ pot, 3500+ salary.

The USA had 41 HOF players >3500 this season, with 2946 active teams (so 8838 drafted players), or 1 out of every 215 players, much worse than Slovenia.

edit: 1 out of every 225-250 definitely looks like the typical range (USA, China, Poland, Italy are all within it), so Slovenia actually looks like they got fairly lucky this season. Given an average yield, you'd only expect ~7.5 of these players-- to get 12 is way beyond expectation.

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