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That's not true. You can get more money by "tanking" in higher divisions than "tanking" in lower divisions, however you definitely make more money by tanking in D3 or D4 than you do by trying to make the playoffs in D1.

If by trying to make the playoffs, you mean going for a championship, then you're right. But D1 teams bring in so much money each week that they can still have a very competitive roster, albeit not championship quality, and still make over 200k/week. You could make this money in lower divisions, but only if you're doing well, not if you're tanking. I can't speak for other managers, but I can say that is was easier for me to make higher profits in higher divisions, even while I was maintaining a competitive roster.

When will this take into effect in utopia?

A new “luxury/hoarding tax” is being considered. Teams that have amassed extremely large sums of money will be taxed to disincentivize hoarding. More details to come next season.

Is this driving up player transfer price?
Should more clarity be given in order to avoid the transfer price from being driven up, maybe by people who are worried that they will be taxed? What is consider large sums of money? And how will it be implemented?

High player price is making it difficult for new team to build up their roster.. Personally, my Utopia team is finding it difficult to get good player because of the high price..

To the people crying and moaning about the luxury tax.

Do the Yankees or Red Sox cry and moan about the luxury tax they pay? No, because they still go out there, make their playoffs, win a few world series' (while paying luxury tax), and that's that.

Well they're being taxed for using/spending more money than the other teams not for having more money, which is the main complaint. Having a hoarding tax, not a luxury tax.

The Lakers are not being punished for having more money than other teams. The Nets are paying the luxury tax for using/spending more money.

That's true: but you have to have that money to spend that money...

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And they didn't amass that amount of money to spend by throwing in the towel on seasons

Last edited by EightPackKilla at 11/22/2015 8:29:25 AM

If by trying to make the playoffs, you mean going for a championship, then you're right.

And here you're still wrong. The difference between top teams and bad teams in D1 is much larger than in other divisions. You have teams (the very top) making $600k and teams making $400k in gate receipts. The problem in D1 is that the relative payroll gap between the 2 groups is usually also very large. An average payroll for a competitive D1 is between 500k and 600k, while the salary floor is around 350k-370k. Top teams everywhere spend around $800k, sometimes more.

So you make $600k+ in gates if you're the top dog playing in the B3 etc, but you then carry around $750k-$800k in team salary. You can make $500k in gates if you're reasonably close to the average (let's say $500k total payroll), you have a good record and you're winning games. If you tank you can make around $400k per game in gates (although if you are newly promoted you can increase that number to $500k-$550k or so) with a $350k payroll. So there you go, even by rudimentary math staying at the salary floor and losing games generates a base surplus you won't get otherwise.


Besides, you should just ask yourself why would anyone tank in any division, even lower divisions (where there are human managers that is), instead of "doing well" with a middle of the pack or a good team if the these were the more profitable options...

And you should also ask yourself if you think you would be able to make anywhere close to $9-$10 millions in 3 seasons, as some people who tanked have admitted to, but without tanking (or being at or below the salary floor).

Last edited by Lemonshine at 11/22/2015 2:08:11 PM

I don't quite get what you're trying to say. I said that championship quality D1 teams probably won't be able to make any significant profits, which I am sure you agree with. I also said that teams that still make the playoffs can make high profits. The numbers you posted seem to support my statement.

An average payroll for a competitive D1 is between 500k and 600k

This is true. When I was in D1 some playoff teams had salaries in this neighbourhood. But I also remember that the average weekly revenue in Canada D1 was $760K. A competitive team with a 500k payroll would make $260k/week which would be over $3 million a season. By your own number a "competitive" D1 team could make $10 million in 3 seasons

And you should also ask yourself if you think you would be able to make anywhere close to $9-$10 millions in 3 seasons, as some people who tanked have admitted to, but without tanking (or being at or below the salary floor).

Anyways, you can still field a competitive team at the salary floor and make much more than $10million in 3 seasons. You just need to find viable D1 starters with low salaries. The new FA rules, however, make it harder to do it, since most of these kind of players would have salaries above $60k, so you can't acquire them from Free Agency anymore.

Besides, you should just ask yourself why would anyone tank in any division, even lower divisions (where there are human managers that is), instead of "doing well" with a middle of the pack or a good team if the these were the more profitable options...

Remember tanking is boring, but it is easy. All you need to do is login once a month. The other more profitable options involve alot more effort, like scanning the transfer list for good players, setting your lineup and replacing your aging players with younger ones. Managers may not have the interest or time to do this, so they opt for tanking.

OK i said this in another thread, so that I will repeat it here and just be direct...

Users of this game who are expressively concerns that some massive pile of cash, or players, that they amassed...might be taxed...

Are the type of people who will exploit anything in this game they can and don't care about the future of the game, only their place in it. IF they can not achieve an untouchable advantage, maybe they will quit...and maybe they should.

This game will NOT WORK as a business without constantly appealing to new users/new business...
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You have to lose something. IF you never lose anything...and you are always gaining things...no new user could EVER catch or compete with you.
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I hope the BBs don't back down.

There ya go. Boil it down like that and I can give it a basketball.