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Date: 8/4/2014 8:22:38 AM
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I have had scorers on my team but not jump shooters. This offense gives you many open looks jumper wise. This offense makes my shooters look decent. They are normally suspect.

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Date: 8/4/2014 5:49:24 PM
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I watched the Princeton from courtside for 10 years. In real life, you'd want 5 guys with decent outside and/or jump shooting and passing. Any player could also get looks at a backdoor layup, though I'd be curious to know if BB considers that a drive or an IS. In reality it works best against a man-to-man, since it relies on screens and mismatches. 3-2 is probably the best D against it, and that seems true in this game, too.

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Date: 8/5/2014 12:58:05 AM
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thanks for posting that.

Yes that pretty much answers my question that i had about, how the game engine would simulate things such as off the ball screening.

If I put my programmer's hat on, the way I would program this, is take selective elements of another offense that are already programmed, and add in a multiplier to 'exemplify' these elements.

eg: It takes the elements of open JS from Patient, and the 'passing' element of Motion and adds in an 'isolation' element* and then adds in a multiplier such that these are performed slightly more efficiently in Princeton.

....or something like that.

* I asterixed this bit, beceause im geussing that BB-Forrest posted that post, BEFORE the Isolation offenses were developed? So perhaps the 'isolation' element of princeton was taken out and put into these specific isolation offenses?


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Date: 8/5/2014 8:22:56 AM
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eg: It takes the elements of open JS from Patient, and the 'passing' element of Motion and adds in an 'isolation' element* and then adds in a multiplier such that these are performed slightly more efficiently in Princeton.

Agree. I would go even further and say that Princeton needs more passing than Motion.
In the end you have a player who is somehow odd. JS, JR, PA, IS, DR... theoretically that's an exellent offensive player. But I don't know if such a player can use this skillset effetive in such a slow tactic. But I will find this out because from the beginning, my plan was to build a Princeton team in Utopia.


And more than that, everyone needs those skills. I'd say DR is much higher a priority than IS, though I noticed that the type of "inside" shots my big men took in the Princeton varied greatly depending on their skills - my guys with DR but low IS took almost exclusively driving attempts, while the guy I had with very low DR but high IS took a lot of non-driving inside shots.

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Date: 8/5/2014 9:36:55 AM
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ahhhhhhh but is it a chicken and egg scenario?

ie: Are they driving because they have high driving?

Or are they driving because the game engine is telling them to do so? Maybe if they had low driving, the game engine would attempt to find them for the open jumper?


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Date: 8/5/2014 10:12:22 AM
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My guys suck at driving and they seem to do more of it in the Princeton, so I think the engine makes them. I don't like that because the philosophy of the Princeton is avoiding bad ISO matchups with passing, cutting and screening. But as the programmer said (thanks for that!), think of this as a new strategy similar to Princeton, but not Princeton.

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Date: 8/5/2014 10:57:49 AM
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ahhhhhhh but is it a chicken and egg scenario?

ie: Are they driving because they have high driving?

Or are they driving because the game engine is telling them to do so? Maybe if they had low driving, the game engine would attempt to find them for the open jumper?



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261646.31 in reply to 261646.29
Date: 8/5/2014 12:38:18 PM
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Clearly, I can not drink the wine in front of me.


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