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252159.21 in reply to 252159.20
Date: 12/26/2013 11:28:36 PM
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Can't remember my Id or password
and what a pain trying to log in again
tried many times and gave up.


So how do you log on to BB everyday? ;)

but in the long run I bet he will beat the pants off of her


Ha! He will get his chance in the coming seasons! He does seem to have some passion for this I'll give him that.

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Whether I win the election or not,I think it is very important for whoever is managing to have a strong presence on the offsite. Or who intends to manage in the season(s) before they do manage.

Just to see/participate in the rhythm of the U21 week from game to game. Not just managing the team for each game, but keeping an eye on scouting, keeping the pipeline for each position stocked, answering training questions/general BB questions, and knowing as much as possible about the whole game ie. rules, important dates, strategy, GE changes, transfer market postings of foreign U21 players, etc

I know I would be (more) comfortable voting for someone new to take over if they have demonstrated knowledge/time/dedication into the U21 system before just deciding to run.

I don't have a problem sharing things I've picked up, as I have learned from generous people who have mentored me in the past and answered many of my questions. (Rip/Beanerz/Beener/Mr.Burns/Bballin/jbm/etc)

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252159.24 in reply to 252159.21
Date: 12/26/2013 11:45:47 PM
Headless Thompson Gunners
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I log into BB everyday by clicking on my stored name which in turn automatically inserts my password.
It's not the same as the off site

I also think most of what you say that is done on the off site can be done without it
I can tell you every under 24 Canadian player on the TM
check it all the time
would keep the info if I needed to
can bbmail who I have to
How to go about all the other stuff can be learned just as you did

There is not just one way to run a ship.
Nobody should ever question your dedication, second to none
but results this season, your fault or not
your fault
I've worked in the business for 35 years and that's sports

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252159.25 in reply to 252159.24
Date: 12/27/2013 12:15:47 AM
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While I agree that sports is a results driven industry that is a ridiculous comment in regards to the U21 team. The failure of the team is a result of crappy players, so my question to all the candidates is what would you have done to get different results? Please provide more details than the obligatory "set the line up" BS.

The dedication of Kumiko is unquestioned and deserves a tremendous amount of credit. It is easy to comment about what she may not have done in the last season but I challenge all candidates to try and do half as much as she has.

In my opinion it is far more difficult and demanding to run either one of the National teams than it is to advance to Naismith. While advancing to Naismith is surely an accomplishment it pails in comparison to running a successful NT. The top managers in BB have been able to train elite level players while remaining competitive. So my next question is what is the best player you have trained? Is that player Canadian? And if so why the hell not?.

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252159.26 in reply to 252159.24
Date: 12/27/2013 12:16:10 AM
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I log into BB everyday by clicking on my stored name which in turn automatically inserts my password.

As do I. On the offsite I don't even have to log in.

For easy matches, yes, the offsite is not needed, but for important matches, both U21 and NT managers seek out opinions from the Canadian community for tactic and roster choices, something that can't be done on here.

your fault or not
your fault

Or not. ;)

I came right out and said after qualifying for worlds we wouldn't do anything there. I knew what players I would have to work with and up against the powers of Europe, no chance. Our best player was over GS7 once all season and our second best player was 20 years old.

At Worlds at best we could have won 1 game instead of 0. HGG noticed right away what I could have done differently, and I admit as much. Give me the team that got us to World's and I think we would have made 2nd round.

U21 is not like a usual team. Different roster every single season. Wholesale changes.

As for checking U24 on the TL that's not what I'm talking about.
1) U21 players from other teams to look for trends in opposition training
2) There are 414 players I currently have all the skills for thru scouting.

I don't doubt you or several other people from Canada would be able to do this. I'd like to do it for 2 more seasons and have someone (more) successfully do it after me. It's not something to just jump in cold tho.

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252159.27 in reply to 252159.25
Date: 12/27/2013 12:24:16 AM
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1. What would you have done to get different results?
In game: tie'd Spain, we would have beat Misr before OT.
Out of game: Hound managers even more than I already do to ensure they have level 4-6 trainers and check up more often than I already do about how training is going. Hound managers even more than I already do to sell the player if they are not being trained effectively. ie. be an even bigger bitch who is just trying to make U21 as successful as it can possibly be, while teaching less-than-experienced managers how to do things more effectively in BB

2. What is the best player you have trained? Is that player Canadian? And if so why the hell not?.
Morales, Canadian, now 25, has a chance to make NT later. Since age 18, during 1st couple seasons I could have got a couple more pops out of him, and in a slightly different order, but I was learning then.
Macindeor, Canadian, now 24, also with a chance to make NT later. Bought him to keep him in Canada.

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252159.28 in reply to 252159.27
Date: 12/27/2013 1:29:18 AM
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Personally, I think as a country with a small and shrinking user base, I think the U21 should be more of a way to connect with new managers and integrate them into the Canadian community. We need to get them connected with more experienced users that can mentor them and hopefully encourage them to stick around. I would rather have more people sticking around than winning U21 (the NT is a diffierent story). I think it's more important to vote on building community as opposed to results (which have been decent imo).
I think Kumiko has been simply outstanding in this respect, and encourage others who are supportive of her to vote right now (or don't forget), and not take for granted that she'll be elected. My only suggestion of how she could improve would be to hound managers less, and try to connect them to mentors more (who can talk to them about their entire team, which may mean not picking up that L6 trainer, and ideally from another manager so they don't the advice is just for the benefit just of the U21).

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252159.30 in reply to 252159.25
Date: 12/27/2013 6:24:54 AM
Headless Thompson Gunners
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I think I made clear that I thought Kumiko's dedication was unmatched.
Again though my point was:
If you don't get results it doesn't matter if it was your fault
In sports, you fall on the sword.
One need not look much closer than Canada's junior hockey or even Olympic team.
All management of those two are as good as it gets, but if they don't win, OH CANADA!

And BTW, seems young Pugger has trained a Canadian to better than Kumiko or I
(22158923)

It is however very difficult to procure a young Canadian talent.
I love the training part more than any other aspect.
I saved my draft points twice in the hopes of a top flight Canuck.
Only to get stiffed both times.

I check every day to see what's out there but there are precious few Canadians of MVP and up under 20 worth training so I train players from other countries though my Superstar caliber Canuck will get as good as he can.

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252159.31 in reply to 252159.30
Date: 12/27/2013 7:14:39 AM
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@HTG Ha, knew it was Ferguson before even clicking the link. Bballin has been ecstatic about Fergie's progress with Sparky since he got him at age 22. By then he was already trained up as a U21 player.

@Fresh Yes, very good points. However, I don't think U21 coach and GM of a country should get their roles mixed up. U21 is to put the best lineup they can on the court. And I'm not recommending L6's to every single manager. If a team is in D3 and has the #27 guard with only per allstar potential, 99% of the time I'm saying to get L4 max and linking them to Rip's BB guide and the better training threads on the forum.

Last edited by Kumiko (CAN U21) at 12/27/2013 6:21:30 PM

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