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From: Wagner

To: MrJ
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326589.201 in reply to 326589.200
Date: 5/12/2025 9:22:47 AM
Wagner College
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I'm thinking there are a few managers who, like me, don't see the point in posting the same information in 3 separate places. It seems unnecessarily extra work.

I have noticed that as well (that there seem to be managers that don't feel like doing it), that's why I messaged about it.

I see that point of view of course, but I don't see it unnecessary, and much less I see it arduous, especially to update your own scores post. Than includes adding maximum of 8(!) characters, including adding space, per one posting (if both teams score more than 100 points), so if that's arduous for some, then I don't know what wouldn't be arduous for such managers. :)

(1) Every game is already available via the master posts at the beginning of the HGL Scores thread. (2) Then we are to post our results again in the same thread. One of the two managers for that game does this without doubling up. (3) Then a third time on our own posts where all the games are listed? Seems like overkill, Wagner. Surely once we have a full list like we do at the start of the HGL Scores thread, where every single game is linked for anybody to view anytime, the need for game scores to be posted in other places seems unnecessary?

Again, you are correct that they are available in master post. And I see where you're coming from.
However, it's always better to be on the safe side, so having them available at least in two different sources, of which another one is editable by each manager, certainly doesn't harm, and like mentioned earlier, hardly can be called work as updating one's box score links-post is practically almost easy and fast as saying 1-2-3.

Like I mentioned, I have noticed that most managers haven't sent box scores posts (for unsent games), even though that has been asked for until now. Like I mentioned earlier, that "let's for now keep on sending these separate box scores posts, until further notice" (etc., I can't recall exact words I used). Managers mostly have not done this, but I have decided to partly look that through my fingers, mainly due to reasons you mentioned above.

So while I personally would prefer that box score posts would be sent to scores thread after each game (by either manager) in the future as well, we can now change a current practice, so that all managers update their match scores to their own box score posts, and do not have to send a separate box score post (such as one like this: (326590.184)) to a scores thread.


From: Wagner

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326589.202 in reply to 326589.201
Date: 5/12/2025 9:24:50 AM
Wagner College
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@all HGL managers:
As an added reminder: Please do not ever delete your own box score posts, or edit/change correctly input scores after HGL Season.

We might need to have these old match scores available on later seasons, and again, it's best to have them available at least in two sources.

Last edited by Wagner at 5/12/2025 9:25:31 AM

From: MrJ

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326589.203 in reply to 326589.201
Date: 5/12/2025 9:26:07 AM
Swan River Serpents
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Second Team:
Westopian Tigers

A fair compromise, Wagner.

Can you please change my current link to this one then as I use this in my own HGL Swan River Serpents thread where I update the scores regularly: (327250.2)



Last edited by MrJ at 5/12/2025 9:26:30 AM

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: Deano25

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326589.204 in reply to 326589.197
Date: 5/12/2025 10:27:25 AM
Heywood Big Dogs
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Second Team:
Heywood Lions
Hi Wagner,

While the competition is interesting, as I stated just before this season started, I'm honoring my commitment to this season to keep it fair for all involved and then I'll step out to create space for someone else. The admin requirements (which, as you often point out, are low as you are doing the vast majority of it) frustrate me. Like the scores on our individual posts. I haven't been updating my post as by the time I get on I usually can see the other coach (or someone) has and you have the result, so it seems pointless writing it somewhere else.
But I don't want to be pedantic about the details so I'll retire after this season, continue being a home grown team for my own reasons and let someone else enjoy the league.
Best wishes to all.

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326589.206 in reply to 326589.197
Date: 5/13/2025 4:25:05 AM
Rajdersi
III.11
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5353
Second Team:
Rajdersi II
I'm in for season 2.
I was thinking about becoming reserve team- I am not sure if I am able to promote to div II without additonal transfers. Maybe in season 70 I would have to buy one player so I might not be HG in S70.


Last edited by Paul George at 5/13/2025 4:29:03 AM

From: Wagner

To: MrJ
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326589.207 in reply to 326589.203
Date: 5/13/2025 7:02:58 AM
Wagner College
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A fair compromise, Wagner.

Can you please change my current link to this one then as I use this in my own HGL Swan River Serpents thread where I update the scores regularly: (327250.2)

:D

While I appreciate the effort you've taken to share your thoughts about your team (they are an interesting read) on a separate thread, I would really want to keep these "official records" on Official Threads only (everyone else is also sticking with this policy), so I would kindly ask you to either copy-paste that same post (that you update to your separate Swan River Serpents HGL-thread) also to the Official Thread, or please write the score of the game also on your Official Threads' box score post, if you want to keep updating scores also to your separate HGL team's thread.

Now from that we'll get easily to separate HGL team posts. I'd be tempted to start by saying that practically almost all initiative is basically a great thing for HGL, so I thank you and demars for taking an initiative.
And I do agree that it is definitely easier to see the whole picture when all posts by one manager are on one thread, but on the other hand, from my point of view, that's where the good sides of it end.
I mean having multiple separate threads in addition to Official Threads does have it's clear downsides as well, so that's why I personally haven't commented on SRSs' or EDs' HGL team page posts on your threads, as I don't see it as beneficial to spread the conversation even more (or at least don't see as much benefit in it, as you guys probably do). Having said that, I of course appreciate your initiative and read carefully all messages you guys send on them.

Last edited by Wagner at 5/13/2025 7:10:19 AM

From: Wagner

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326589.208 in reply to 326589.204
Date: 5/13/2025 7:32:11 AM
Wagner College
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Hi Wagner,

While the competition is interesting, as I stated just before this season started, I'm honoring my commitment to this season to keep it fair for all involved and then I'll step out to create space for someone else.

I remembered that. It's just that sometimes people change their mind over time, and I wanted to give that an opportunity and not make the "negative" decision on your behalf but instead ask from you directly (if you still have the same opinion).

The admin requirements (which, as you often point out, are low as you are doing the vast majority of it) frustrate me. Like the scores on our individual posts. I haven't been updating my post as by the time I get on I usually can see the other coach (or someone) has and you have the result, so it seems pointless writing it somewhere else.


Like you probably noticed, based on earlier comments (at the beginning of Season 1) and recent comment of/discussion with MrJ, we/I have now changed the practice in terms of writing down scores so that you don't have to send a separate post for each match if you don't want to (I will still likely keep doing that myself), but you still need to write score of the match in your box score post. This eliminates one layer of security, but it still leaves 1 added layer left. Like I said before: scores and box score links are the key things in any league, and they should be secured and readily visible at least in two different places. This current practice ensures that.

Layers of security are an important thing in HGL, as it's "a manually operated league". Have you guys noticed, that there's about 2-2,5 millimeters (0,1 inches!) empty space between "nice and sensibly" next to each other positioned Edit and Delete-links?

What if I sometimes accidentally delete that (or any other important) post when I intend to edit it instead? Yes, some other layers of security may (or may not) be in place for that, but I'm just wondering that do you see my point now in more clear manner?
I do try to optimize things myself as well, and frankly I don't always succeed at that alone in an optimal manner, so feedback is much appreciated. But please remember, that I never make people jump, just because it'd be fun for me to make people jump/see that happening - there's a reason for practically everything.

To get back to previous issue, one could claim that they're already secured behind your box score posts anyway, which is true, but I think that's the kind of effort level (pressing space bar and inputing 5-7 characters to a post) that's required, that I find it unlikely that it would prove to be too much of an obstacle to any serious manager (and naturally, I do consider you being very serious manager, being a reputable national team coach and so on) to do this quite regularly. Like you all have (hopefully) noted, links to your box score posts have been provided in Official Thread, so they're quite easy to reach too.

But I don't want to be pedantic about the details so I'll retire after this season, continue being a home grown team for my own reasons and let someone else enjoy the league.
Best wishes to all.


Even though you will be leaving HGL after Season 1, I nevertheless also kindly ask you to update your season scores to your own box score posts, here: (326590.56) as that's the minimum required level of work from "regular managers", thank you. Please also at the same time remove an extra space bar stroke on your Round 3 and Round 7 matches to make the match links functional.

Anyway, it seems you've made up your mind, so I thank you for your opinions/feedback, and especially for participation and willingness to reply to occassional BBMails and forum posts, and for participating. And let's not forget that season is still not over, and you're actually a very strong medal contender this season!


Last edited by Wagner at 5/13/2025 8:08:58 AM

From: Wagner

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326589.209 in reply to 326589.205
Date: 5/13/2025 7:41:10 AM
Wagner College
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I'm in for season 2..

EDIT: Changed some team numbers and playoff scenarios after MrJ's withdraw notice concerning Season 2.

Thank you, that's a great decision! :) Now that you and Paul George have responded, we can conclude that 12 out of 16 original teams will continue in HGL on Season 2, and 2 new teams have informed they would be willing to participate already on Season 2.

So that leaves us currently with 14 participants for Season 2. It's an option to play season with 14 teams only, or then try to find one or preferably two more teams (in addition to Hårdboll and BC Eos) that would be willing to join.

As long as joining managers are committed for the duration of full season, I'd probably prefer having 16 teams instead of 14. But 14 would work out too, and actually we were very close to playing Season 1 of HGL with 14 teams.

If 14 participants for Season 2 would be locked though, it would just need to be reconsidered whether we want to include 12 out of 14 (which is about 86% of) teams to postseason play just as we do on this Season 1 (however, we have 16 teams this season and 12 out of 16 means 75% of teams are included in postseason play).
One of the other options, 10 our of 14 teams to the playoffs, on the other hand would mean that about 71% of teams would reach postseason play (instead of current 75%). This could be easily implemented by changing the number of teams who will automatically qualify for Second Round of Playoffs, from 4 to 2, and then First Round of Playoffs would be implemented in the same manner as on this season, but it would include teams on league table positions from 3rd to 10th.

As things get buried out in the forum so easily, here's another link to that participating teams-compilation post: (326589.154).


Last edited by Wagner at 5/13/2025 7:43:19 PM

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326589.210 in reply to 326589.206
Date: 5/13/2025 7:45:32 AM
Wagner College
II.2
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I'm in for season 2.
I was thinking about becoming reserve team- I am not sure if I am able to promote to div II without additonal transfers. Maybe in season 70 I would have to buy one player so I might not be HG in S70.

Thanks, Paul George!
So by possibly becoming reserve team you meant like you were pondering earlier that you might have stepped out for HGL Season 2 or Season 3, due to buying non-HG eligible players..?

Have you already made up your mind completely, that you won't buy any restricted players during the full duration of the HGL Season 2 (including Playoffs, until the Season 2 HGL champion has been decided at the very least)? :)

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Date: 5/13/2025 8:25:36 AM
Rajdersi
III.11
Overall Posts Rated:
5353
Second Team:
Rajdersi II
Hi,

completly clean HG next season (S69).
S70 - not sure.

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