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It's depending on the need of the NT, which the manger of NT want his team to be. But for my side, since i electing for U21, i'm looking to build a balance team, and for U21 there are only few season to train, so it's setting a idea skill set for u21 player is not really a good point.

So like i say, the team will discuss, see what does NT, U21 and the club need, so we would train the player due to the need of this 3 point, but still for those skill that are better to be train when young, we will try to concentrate on those.

I just mean all U21 managers only become managers after a tough election. Most of them are experienced and dedicated. The difference in individual ability is not big

I'm sorry. As an experienced U21 manager, if that is what you think after serving 4 seasons in the NT staff, your knowledge is nothing but that of a normal manager who has never been involved in the NT setup, and still you dare say "I have much more experience. I am much more familiarized with the whole U21 stuff. This is my biggest advantage (albeit it seems to be miniimal compared to being a local)" (Ref: (210228.91)). You are not familiar with anything but player training. I suggest you give up now and go back to scouting.

I don't mean to be arrogant. But so make such a silly statement shows how ignorant you are over NT matters in BB as a whole and also the previous fixtures of SGP U21, which you claim to be in your heart, and a U21 manager cannot afford to be so ignorant.

I know your main point is that we should develop players meticulously so that they can bring success to the country, but being a U21 manager, you have to be aware of other teams as well. Do you know, as a U21 manager, there are times when I actually have to go to scout the other manager's club and check his track record? Didn't expect that did you? Although it rarely happens, but there are times when you need to go to that extent.

Sorry for exposing your NT experience bluff. I was also once a NT staff with no NT management experience prior to elections, and I used to use that statement to elevate my status, despite being nothing but just a translator (we had a foreign manager in season 3 and he was afraid Malaysians couldn't speak English) and was never involved in any scouting or tactical discussions. But the difference between the both of us is that I didn't come up with my own assumptions and project them to the whole community. If I did I had always looked for reference that proved me right, therefore making it a fact, and not just an assumption like your statement above.

Hello Terfu, you make me confused, but what assumption do you think I have made that you disagree so much? Do you mean that some U21 managers are much better than others? And that there are silly managers out there? I just respect all the other U21 managers and I also believe there are many capable managers out there who are not managing NT / U21.

You write a lot here but I can't get your point. Do you mean that I am so ignorant that I would not track down other team's players and record? What makes you say this? Of course I'll scout my opponents. Actually I spent most of my time on BB looking through other teams, especially the performance of the player back many seasons ago, the major players and the usual tactics. I do it always. Your accusations are quite serious and ungrounded I think. Just because I didn't say it explicitly didn't mean I don't do it.

1. What do you expect to be doing after getting elected as U21 manager?

Nice question bro.

In this situation I have not enough time for preparing U21 team. I mean Asia U21 Championship Tournament season 20 will be start on the 28,May,2012. But I am sure I can support SG U 21 to reach next round in this season. And my target is wanna play at least semi-final in Asia U21 Championship Tournament season 20.
May be In season 21, my target will be changed. It's mean i have no target for season 21. But I will rebuild SG U21 team for the next 2 season.
So very clear I will only target for season 20 and I will try to rebuild in season 21 for future. (But I will plan to train some talent rosters who have talent for National Senior Team)

remarks: SG U21 is good condition in season 20, because of Ben. I selected some rosters from my record, may be I can get some great rosters from oversea also. You can see my temporary list for season 20. They are from my experience and record only, some rosters will be miss in this list. (217139.10)

Last edited by Ko Phyo at 5/17/2012 3:10:10 AM

Bro Audi*,

This election is very important for Singapore U21. You know why? Because this season 20 Asia U21 Championship Tournament is in Singapore. We have HCA. That's why i decided I will join in this election. I really cannot give this chance to NT. We are sure we must reach next round. If i have a chance I will try to reach at least semi. Please let it be.

Hello Ko Phyo,

I don't think it is appropriate to publicly provoke this hatred emotion. This is an open election. Everyone can see and participate in the process of election. Please show respect for others.

I know I am a villain here, because I am not a Singaporean. And that certainly may be one of the factors when votes decide who to vote. But being a local or not should not be the prime factor when we choose, dedication, vision, and managerial skills are all more important. And I believe I am prepared for the job. If not, Ben would not encourage me and I would not candidate myself. The managers I have worked with know my personality and they would know what a person I am. Unluckily not many of them are still around.

Dear NT,

So sorry for my word "I really cannot give this chance to NT", Because I really don't want to be Singapore U21 team like last season Singapore Senior team. That's why .... please forgive me. I already said before. I am also not singaporean, I am also same like you from oversea. That's why I thinking about for bro Audi* also. Actually the problem is coming from last season National Team election. If last season election bro Eric would be win, I hope I can see Ben will be active and he will be win again this election. Actually you are the good scout and helping to SG also. After election whatever result i wanna see you will help to Singapore team. You are not villain.

Regards,
Ko Phyo

Last edited by Ko Phyo at 5/17/2012 3:25:19 AM

Of course some managers are better than others. And I surely know what is the situation in some NT election. Some managers have managed for so long that they lost their passion, but he got voted anyway because people don't want changes or the other candidates are too bad. In some countries, the vote sample is so small that the one with 2 votes win. This is especially common for some small countries, like Barbados. Before the election, many unknown managers who have only played for 1-2 seasons jump out from nowhere and candidate themselves. They want something new. They elect for themselves.I know all this stuff. And I am not such a kind of person. But you still need to admit that most NT / U21 coach are managers with real ability, like Ben.

I don't really think there is much point arguing about this. And I am regretted that you said that I think of you all as gods as I've never had the chance to take over a U21. Honestly I don't think you or my local HK U21 manager is a god. And I do not daydream everyday taking over a U21 one day. I enter this election because of Ben, to continue his work and mission. And I'm pretty sure I will not enter any U21/ NT election after this.

One point to add: we all know this season we are the host. That's also why I enter because I am the one with some related experience. It's true that every great manager has their first time. But you need time to familiarize with all the things. It’s difficult to have success to right away and the price may be costly.

Last edited by Naughty Teacher at 5/17/2012 3:35:49 AM

Well, if you are saying i don't have the basic, that is a point to say, maybe i really don't have.

But just to inform you, the skill set you say, are really good. but there are some problem,

If wanna train kind of stats,

1)Unless that trainer do not have other player to concentrate on..

2)What if the trainer are new in the game, where and how you at the player to get fund for trainer?

3)Look at DivII.2 - Div II.4, How many Bot are there? how many of them are turning in BOT soon?

4)The Patience of the trainer? which manager dont want to win and get promoted?

5)Look at those team that are training players, Most of them are from Div II.1, For other league, yes there is, but the standard in the league is different? Team in other league are much easier to get promoted up to SBBL.*i'm not saying those team are weak, lucky or whatever*

6)If you look at our div II. Div II.1 are the toughest league, see how many SG NT player are in there, everyone is stuck there as there is our mini SBBL. If for *example*, flyersonic willing to train that kind of player while training his peh as well, how you expect him to survive in the league? As season goes, Peh salary will be increasing, how is he going to earn money via income to build up a team to win the title to get promoted when there are team like SHP, who dont train SG player and build such strong team.

7) One thing is, Look at msia, how many user do you guys have? How many team does communicate with the nation via forum? For SG, as you can see, who are those people chatting in forum? It's always the same few people, while the rest of the team, Most team are just logging in, to reply mail that Ben and other scout send, and doing other setting for training and match. They are not really completing. This will harm league income.

8) The player u mention, He is from Nick Of Time, and you should know, look at all this while, he is always at the top flight of MBBA, Maybe 1) he had the fund which he earn during season 3 till sesson 10, to allow him to be build a team to win MBBA. OR 2) he already train out a team of player that can help him.
With a strong team, training 1-2 player, wont harm him much, wont cause him to get demoted to div2.

9) I believe, if you ask eric or ben, they could also train out this kind of player. But Look at our SBBL team, how competitive we are facing? the standard of our team in SBBL is totally different, everyone is trying to build a better team to represent singapore in B3, as each season goes, the challenge become more and more hard. 1 bad move, we may get demoted. Look at our season 19 winner, one charge, there he goes, SBBL and SG cup champion.

*The standard of game, and the way of the country behaving is different. I really hope you understand, i'm not saying MBBA is weak or what, is just that there are different kind of challenge.*

All this that i said may sound messy.
There may be more other point but this is few that i could think of, as i'm at work now.
You could feel that i'm finding excuse but this is the facts.
Sorry if my words has offended anybody in SG or MSIA, i dont have any ill meaning behind, it's just my weakness in using words to describe.

Sorry/Thanks to all.

Regards
Audi*

Last edited by Audi* at 5/17/2012 3:45:48 AM