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but if what your saying is true, then there is no point to a suggestions forum then, is there? :P
we are suggesting things to improve the game. Chances of it getting implemented - 0.01% (yes, negative percent)...... so lets just discuss it openly and freely and not talk about the fact that 'the game is the way it is and its not changing' and get all defensive and blah blah blah, let free speech be free speech and just let some of us have our dreams please?
We all know its not going to happen because the game hardly ever changes, but its nice to dream sometimes isnt it?

So lets keep it that way. And ive decided to change my logic to be Jump Range is associated with FT's :) Not Jump shot :)

lets look at some practical numbers shall we? terrific ill make a cup of tea.

Current rate of FT training per 48+ minutes- errrr... i dunno? anyone? anyone? lets say its 0.75 of a pop.

So if you had a guy whom, for 10 seasons you trained FT once per season, you would get 7.5 pops. So from Pitiful-ish to Strong-ish essentially. (Note, im using a made up 0.75 amount. no idea what it actually is if someone tells me ill rejig the numbers)...

If JR trained FT's at the same rate that say, Pressure train's handling, (ie; about 0.1) and you trained JR once a season as well as FT once per season, you would get ONE extra pop.
ie: To Proficient-ish.

Lets say, you only train FT once every 2 seasons. 3.25 pops. BUT you still trained JR once per season. Over 10 seasons, you would get 4.25 pops, instead of 3.25

So.... the point being is that, if FT was related to JR at the same rate the HD is related to Pressure, and you only trained JR once every season for 10 seasons, the difference is 1 pop.

Based on the numbers from the trainings site, im guessing that JR on average gets trained once every season, similar to FT's. very loose assumption that though....

Lets say im training a SG, and i want him to have Wonderous JR, so i need 8 pops (start at Average for example), which is about 20 weeks of JR training, so im going to end up with about 2 extra pops in FT. say i did that over the course of 4 seasons, during which i also trained FT once a season. Net FT gain = about 5 FT pops.

For me, 0.1 (ie: the same benefit that Handling gets from Pressure training) is probably a good amount for this. A relationship between JR and FT would be established, such that players with high JR would have benefit to FT.

So a small change like that would have a decent benefit to the logical-ness of the relationship, without disturbing the fabric of the sacred training engine.

and please, can no one respond with 'oh there are heaps of other things wrong with this game', 'there are heaps of unrealistic things in this game', 'just put up with it' etc etc type answers, ive kinda heard them already, and i just don't care because im pretty sure that this is the suggestion forum.
So id really like to hear from someone who has something constructive to say about the suggestion. maybe build on it, maybe offer alternatives, maybe give me a logical reason about the impact to training in the game will cause massive economic downturn in the US Stock market or cause magnetic cohesion between the tectonic plates in the pacific or ... something different thanks!

No. There is still point to suggestions

I said if it's not broken why force it? They already do maintenance, when they did the GDP and other things to limit LI dominance, tweaking SB etc. They do the routine maintenance to keep it from breaking.

Now some things do get broken, or just flat out aren't there... And for those we need suggestions. We also need suggestions on different ways to tweak things.

But quite literally for something that's been looked at as fine thousands of times in the past calendar year.... It's good. They got a grip on that one. If you want to interpret what I said as defensive that's on you...

Personally I think that's the biggest problem with the suggestion forums/message boards is the text format etc. People misinterpret or think there are tones that May or may not be there. We could do video things but that would take massive amounts of data and then you would have to have them deleted at a fair rate to save space etc. That has a -% chance of happening too.

Back to your OP...
The jr thought. This I like... Because as is, nobody really trains it that much, so even if it's just a small FT boost... That already makes it more worthwhile and I would be more inclined to throw it in as a training once in a while myself

Back to your OP...
The jr thought. This I like... Because as is, nobody really trains it that much, so even if it's just a small FT boost... That already makes it more worthwhile and I would be more inclined to throw it in as a training once in a while myself

yey
not sure what your saying in the rest of your post - too many things going on there for a pre-coffee brain to understand, but the thread is about FT so....

yey

back at the numbers - I also looked at the impact of making the FT benefit about 0.2 per 48 mins of Outside Shooting (Just to clarify, Single position Outside Shooting training is what ive been talking about).

If you trained FT once a season for 10 seasons and got 7.5 pops out of it AND you trained OS for SG once a season and got 2.0 pops out of it, thats looking more like 9.5 pops.

Remove the FT training fro the equation. 20 weeks of single posi OS training would result in 4 pops in FT and ... about 8 pops in JR.

Not sure about this. seems a little bit high. Maybe 0.15 would be a nice balance..... maybe even incorporate it into JS as well... but heaps less, like 0.3 or something. Such that there is a bit of a combined benefit from those two stats.

One way to change (without changing how training works) that seems to work is to give JS a tiny impact on the way free throws are shot in game. A 15JS player with 1FT should shoot higher than the <20% now.

The ft shooting % is one aspect of the game that MUST be fixed.
No one professionally shoots 20% from the line. All guards should be at minimum 60% shooters, and the worst forwrds/centers should be no lower than 40%. Its just not realistic to have a great scorer with a great jump shot shooting below 50% from the line.

I think this really needs to be addressed. Atrocious ft shooting should still get you 40%, no one is below that in real life

maybe not in the NBA, but I tell you what, i remember a guy whom i used to play BBall with and far out, heaven help us if he went to the link. Lucky to hit the rim.

dude couldn't shoot the ball from more than 6ft out. ... I blame the fact that he was left handed. :p