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195491.18 in reply to 195491.17
Date: 9/29/2011 10:18:41 AM
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I agree with what your saying. But I don't think that your really talking about the statement I made about there being more good big men on the transfer market, as much as you are venting about how there aren't enough big men with the skills we all want.

Like you said, no one is really training balanced big men, thus the unbalanced big man doesn't really have as much disadvantage comparatively to competition. So, my statement of there being plenty of good big men on the transfer market, while being and flawed and certainly not ideal, isn't untrue.

In your experience, do you see teams who are training balanced big men succeed at a higher rate than those training guards?

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195491.19 in reply to 195491.18
Date: 9/29/2011 10:29:00 AM
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In your experience, do you see teams who are training balanced big men succeed at a higher rate than those training guards?

I don't know if the former exists.

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195491.20 in reply to 195491.19
Date: 9/29/2011 1:08:05 PM
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I tried training balanced big men and I am not doing well.

for example:

Jump Shot: strong Jump Range: strong
Outside Def.: strong Handling: average
Driving: proficient Passing: proficient
Inside Shot: prolific Inside Def.: prominent
Rebounding: prolific Shot Blocking: awful
Stamina: proficient Free Throw: prominent

The problems is the salary catches up too quickly over the seasons.

guards still dominate. in about a season, I will turnover the team and focus on guards instead.

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195491.21 in reply to 195491.20
Date: 9/29/2011 3:18:51 PM
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I tried training balanced big men and I am not doing well.

for example:

Jump Shot: strong Jump Range: strong
Outside Def.: strong Handling: average
Driving: proficient Passing: proficient
Inside Shot: prolific Inside Def.: prominent
Rebounding: prolific Shot Blocking: awful
Stamina: proficient Free Throw: prominent

The problems is the salary catches up too quickly over the seasons.

Wha?? That player has a salary of ~17k. You have a 200k+ guy on the roster, you'd think 17k would be a walk in the park for you.

guards still dominate. in about a season, I will turnover the team and focus on guards instead.

OK, if the guy above is American, sell him to me when you do this.

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195491.22 in reply to 195491.21
Date: 9/29/2011 3:57:19 PM
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the 200K is also pretty decently well rounded.

the 17K guy plays real well against weaker teams, but at DII level, it really shows.

The problem I am highlighting though is the 200K and 70K guys had they salaries bloat (they are both well-balanced) from the big-men related skills... and over the 3-4 season of training them, I could not add good guards because of this.

guard skills bloat slower, so you could adopt a 3-5 year training plan, but still be competitive, save more money, and then buy cheap big men as fillers closer to the playoffs.

by the way, for that 17k guy... "most similar have been selling for around $ 200 000 to $ 250 000".. not the best ROI.

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195491.23 in reply to 195491.22
Date: 9/29/2011 4:18:35 PM
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The problem I am highlighting though is the 200K and 70K guys had they salaries bloat (they are both well-balanced) from the big-men related skills... and over the 3-4 season of training them, I could not add good guards because of this.

guard skills bloat slower, so you could adopt a 3-5 year training plan, but still be competitive, save more money, and then buy cheap big men as fillers closer to the playoffs.

You just wrote out the solution to your own problem. Train all of the guard skills first, with the possible exception of JS, and train the C skills at the end. One he changes his BP to C/PF, all the guard skills (except JS) become free.

by the way, for that 17k guy... "most similar have been selling for around $ 200 000 to $ 250 000".. not the best ROI.

I think we both know he'll sell for much more than that.

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195491.24 in reply to 195491.23
Date: 9/29/2011 4:31:38 PM
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makes sense... but then you will need to buy other players to play at C and PF... and support those salaries to be competitive, or tank completely...


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195491.25 in reply to 195491.24
Date: 9/29/2011 4:45:14 PM
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Ugh. Why can't it just be easier.

Honestly, the developers of this game did a wonderful job making it as challenging as it is, while still making it additively entertaining. I wish I had gotten started much earlier in its existence.

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195491.26 in reply to 195491.24
Date: 9/29/2011 4:49:43 PM
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makes sense... but then you will need to buy other players to play at C and PF... and support those salaries to be competitive, or tank completely...


Yes, and you can sell all of your PGs to make that happen, since you will be training bigs there for a couple of seasons. Stop acting like this is rocket science ;)

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195491.27 in reply to 195491.19
Date: 9/29/2011 5:03:15 PM
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I am training balanced big men. Still in the early stages but my goal is

C:

JS:8/9 JR:7
OD:7 HA:8/9
DV:9 PA:8
IS:15 ID: 14
RB: 14 SB:9

PF:
JS: 11/12 JR:8/9
OD:10 HA: 9
DV: 10 PA: 8
IS: 13/14 ID: 13
RB: 13 SB: 5

C will take about 2-3 seasons and PF will take 3-4. Also working on SF (IS will be a little lower than ideal but the rest will be solid and balanced), but I was of the same opinion, bigmen with secondaries are almost impossible to find on the TL and when they are available they are crazy expensive. So I am aiming to promote to D.II in about three seasons otherwise I will have trouble affording these guys ($65-70 k each I am estimating) plus a decent backcourt.

Edit: I think I was a little optimistic in my time frames. More like C will take the next 3 seasons and the PF will take the next 4-5 (same as the SF)

Last edited by GWgw at 9/29/2011 5:04:58 PM

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195491.28 in reply to 195491.27
Date: 9/29/2011 5:29:21 PM
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That second guy will be a beast, and cheaper than the first by around 15-20k. And yeah, depending on starting skills, 5 seasons is a good estimate.

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