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194736.17 in reply to 194736.1
Date: 8/23/2011 5:03:34 AM
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And how should it work? Please imagine we have player, who has JS=20 + JR=20 + IS=1 and he has "bonus ability" when Look Inside tactic is used, and no bonus when team plays Run and Gun? ;-)
And other player who has JS=1 + JR=1 + IS=20 and he has bonus for RnG and no bonus for LI ;-)
I always thought that all skills describe how good is player to play in specific tactics.

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194736.18 in reply to 194736.17
Date: 8/23/2011 10:24:03 AM
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Why not have an added bonus to those? They do it on team attributes. It all really depends on who is guarding that player. More than likely that player is going to face someone with a high defense rating too. So his ability isn't really "maxed out". And why not can he have a "bonus ability" to go down low. Anyway, why would you use the inside tactic when the player has shooting range like that or if they are a low post player.

What I am getting at is why "train" a SG as a center to the point where he matches up well with a natural center? There is no weight class to consider.

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194736.19 in reply to 194736.16
Date: 8/23/2011 10:28:01 AM
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You are correct. Think about this, I can also train those skills so my 6'3" SG can out perform your 7'4" center in the low post. I don't think that should be right.

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194736.20 in reply to 194736.19
Date: 8/23/2011 11:13:06 AM
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You are correct. Think about this, I can also train those skills so my 6'3" SG can out perform your 7'4" center in the low post. I don't think that should be right.


Only if the 7'4" guy isn't being trained in those skills, in which case, it makes perfect sense.

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194736.21 in reply to 194736.19
Date: 8/23/2011 11:15:51 AM
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Like in real life, most of the top level SG-s are better than league 4 centers. Can you train you 6'3 SG to outperform my 7'4 C if we both train them in inside skills (obviously we leave potential out atm)?

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194736.22 in reply to 194736.1
Date: 8/23/2011 1:47:24 PM
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Playing RnG or Motion is a way to influence the type of plays and shots taken by the players but they will still try all kind of plays and shots. Will a bonus apply to ALL the shots taken ? It doesn't reflect anything close to reality and it is in contradiction to how the GE works IMO.
Skills already make players better at some plays and shots than others, why downgrade the GE with this suggestion ?

One of the challenges of BB is to figure what combination of skills you need to run an offense or to assemble a team of rounded players dangerous from anywhere. Adding something like a prefered offense feels like trying to get round it to have a simpler and more basic game. I don't like it.

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194736.23 in reply to 194736.18
Date: 8/23/2011 2:47:03 PM
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And why not can he have a "bonus ability" to go down low. Anyway, why would you use the inside tactic when the player has shooting range like that or if they are a low post player.

I don't want to use inside tactic. Your proposal is to add bonus for some tactic for players. I understand it should be permanent feature of player, like height or potential, and I can't change it.
So I ask You - what if player has bonus for LI tactic but he has IS=1 and JS=20 and JR=20? It has no sense.
For me this players has big ability to play RnG and we don't need new parameter, because skills are enough. If I want outside oriented player - I train JS/JR. If I want to inside oriented players - I train IS.

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194736.24 in reply to 194736.23
Date: 8/23/2011 3:05:07 PM
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I disagree. Most players simply "understand" some offense schemes alot better than others. That´s something you can only train to some degree - some (high skilled) players were never able to play the triangle, because they simply never understood it.

Just like some skills - passing is a good example - it´s not only a physical ability (thus displayed in the skills), but also a mental ability needed to run certain things. A good example is my Shooting Guard Nenad Lucic - he´s a very solid Guard for my level of gaming, but there´s some offenses where he simply fails to make the right decisions.

So far, this is to some degree displayed in his skills, but the skills alone don´t neccesarrily reflect the decisions he´s making on the court (for example excessige driving to the basket, though he keeps missing). If he has a low skill here, he shouldnt take the shot, shouldnt he?

Just treat the proposal of a "bonus" as the request for a new skill. A skill which tells us how good a player can "mentally" adopt to a certain kind of offense, or actually points out to which kind of offense his "mental skillset" is predetermined to.

Last edited by LA-seelenjaeger at 8/23/2011 3:06:33 PM

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194736.25 in reply to 194736.24
Date: 8/23/2011 3:17:45 PM
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All right, to elaborate on what you suggest, players could have a kind of degree of mastery level of offences and defences. The levels would go up and down if you practice them in training or not. I'd like it better this way.

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194736.26 in reply to 194736.25
Date: 8/23/2011 3:23:36 PM
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That again is covered by experience. I think the concept of the originator of that thread is more diverse, though I agree that a "preferrence" of some kind should be altered by ... let´s say "minutes under the belt of that certain offense".

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194736.27 in reply to 194736.26
Date: 8/23/2011 3:32:45 PM
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In the court, you tend to try moves you're good at or you play like you were told and taught in practice. So whether you have the skills for a move or you have practiced a few systems. I don't understand what you mean by having to adapt mentally if it's not practicing.

edit : to clarify my earlier post, I meant if you choose to practice Motion one week, your players will have their level of ability in the offence Motion going up. Untrained tactics level of ability would deteriorate over time. I think it's in the spirit of the original suggestion.

Last edited by Manouche at 8/23/2011 3:39:30 PM

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