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I'm more interested am I tanking currently? :)

By virtue of the fact that you're playing with 13 bots, no you're not tanking. I already said multiple times that at the lowest level you would not be able to implement any measure efficiently. If you made half the money (lower gates or higher floor) while going down, would feel equally good about being in D3? I don't think so.

This would leave us really with the micronation problem. In any case that is why I would personally link any measure to performance against human managers and not bots. Still only applying measures for established managers, with large arenas etc. etc.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 11/18/2015 11:20:18 AM

I'm more interested am I tanking currently?

By virtue of the fact that you're playing with 13 bots, no you're not tanking. I already said multiple times that at the lowest level you would not be able to implement any measure efficiently. If you made half the money while going down, would you feel equally good about being in D3? I don't think so.

This would leave us really with the micronation problem. In any case that is why I would personally link any measure to performance against human managers and not bots.

Agreed. Even at the expense of a bad survey for 6 consecutive home games before this guy played the next human manager.

playing bots is like an "exhibition". Who cares? I'd go to an exhibition, maybe, if it was free.... (cause i'd still have to pay for parking, food, beer etc.)... But I certainly wouldn't pay for an exhibition, namely because it lacks the competitive nature. (same reason I wouldn't pay to watch a team tank)

Yes, it's little to none effort and it works for me perfect in my current situation - training 3 young players mostly out of position (if the ever have any).

You could do it equally easily in D2 with a better surrounding cast. Of course, a better surrounding cast would cost money both in acquisition price and weekly salary, which is the real reason why people decide to tank.

When I bought my current trainees in Utopia (D3), it was season 30. This is how it went.
http://www.buzzerbeater.com/league/17646/overview.aspx?se...

I trained 6 players several times that season. I trained every week even in the playoffs and ASG week. Clearly I had a decent team aside from my trainees, about average for the league. My trainees were 8/4/8 8/8/6, 7/5/8 8/8/4 and 3/6/8 4/7/6 (they were all 19yo), which is absolutely comparable to yours.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 11/18/2015 11:55:02 AM

You bought players like mine, played in league comparable to mine got results similar to mine.

Yeah except I went 15-7 against human managers. It's not quite the same. If I had the same team that you have now, I would have relegated, quite possibly winning 0 to 2 games instead of 15. If I sold the starters and dropped 80k-90k salary/week, I would have been tanking and I would have been in a similar situation as you. Therefore I'm telling you that:
a) 11 OD or 13 OD is enough to start in D2 without a substantial drawback. In fact that's probably enough for D1 with some tactical arrangements. Obviously you won't play the best lineup you can, however that does not matter in most games where you are outmatched or where you outmatch your opponent
b) clearly you'd need to spend on better starters to have a chance of avoiding relegation. If you don't then you are not trying to win and you're tanking.

Training has nothing to do with tanking and managing finances. The fact that you can't compete in D2 while training is pure myth. The Finnish guy who trained that 158 TSP beast, Hakkinen, spent nearly all his training period in D2 and D1. Obviously you also need to spend some money...or play in a league full of bots.

Hope this clarifies. :)





Last edited by Lemonshine at 11/18/2015 1:11:09 PM