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From: demars
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Date: 1/9/2025 1:49:33 AM
Elan Demars
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Thoughts ? I'm perfectly OK with your message.

I'm IN !!!

(I can give a schedule any time you want, it's easy to do)

From: MrJ

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Date: 1/9/2025 1:50:35 AM
Swan River Serpents
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Westopian Tigers
Thoughts ? I'm perfectly OK with your message.

I'm IN !!!

(I can give a schedule any time you want, it's easy to do)


Awesome!

LOPO? Wagner? What do we think?

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: MrJ

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Date: 1/9/2025 1:51:47 AM
Swan River Serpents
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Thoughts ? I'm perfectly OK with your message.

I'm IN !!!

(I can give a schedule any time you want, it's easy to do)


Is there an ideal number of teams in your opinion? I read your previous comments...would 14 work? Is 16 better?

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: MrJ
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Date: 1/9/2025 2:18:17 AM
Swan River Serpents
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I'm not wanting to offend anyone here, but the name of this League we are creating (BBHG) isn't exactly enticing

I'm wondering (and we have the rest of the season to decide this small point) if we might think of a catchier name, one that anyone in BB who comes across these threads or hears the name, will remember it easier than BBHG or BBHGL?

Even Home-Grown Heroes would, imo, be better than the initials we currently have.

I'm just putting the idea out there; I'm happy to go with whatever we choose. I guess I'm just thinking that if this HG League becomes popular and well-known, in time, the name might matter.

Just a thought...



Last edited by MrJ at 1/9/2025 2:19:11 AM

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: MrJ
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Date: 1/9/2025 3:24:15 AM
Swan River Serpents
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Second Team:
Westopian Tigers

In the interest of keeping things moving along, I have tentatively begun to flesh-out possible Information, Rules and Penalties for our league. Please read below and provide your thoughts, ideas and/or comments. Obviously, these are just draft ideas intended to get us closer to a finalised product ready to start in Season 68. You will find I have created some additional forum information (linked) to guide the prospective competitor. I have also provided some general information. Again, this is ALL draft so feel free to provide criticism etc.


INFORMATION:

Given that the League's success relies on the consistent organising of weekly PU games, it is crucial that all competing teams understand some important aspects of the schedule and adhere to them as perfectly as possible.

For example, the great thing about PU games is they can be scheduled at any time. However, given that the teams participating in this league come from different countries, there may be time differences for Game Shape updates each week. Therefore, a game between two teams should take this into consideration before playing one another.

Each scheduled matchup should be played as early in the week as possible. This will allow enough time for all the results to be passed on and updated for all to see. It may be better if both teams bbmail their results to the organiser rather than post in the forum. In this way, any teams who were wishing to watch a match already completed, don't accidentally see the results before they have an opportunity to watch it. At the completion of each matchups, BOTH teams are to pass on the results. This will ensure that at the very least (if only one team remembers to do it) that the results are forwarded, or (if both do it) then confirmation that the results are accurate eventuate.

It may prove beneficial to have a set day of the week every week when the PU games will take place. This will remove the possibility of a team issuing a challenge which doesn't provide their opponent enough time to fairly set a lineup. A Monday might be the best day given no games of any kind are scheduled by BB at this time?

Each week, one of the two teams competing in a matchup will have some kind of visual note that means it is their responsibility to issue the PU challenge. This will be done evenly across the competition.


RULES:

1. A team must be 100% Home-Grown.
What is a Home-Grown Team? (326328.1)
2. A team must field a minimum of 5 players in a Matchup.
3. A team needs to be familiar with how PickUp (PU) Games and Tokens work.
PickUp Games HOW TO (326327.1)
4. It is the responsibility of BOTH teams to bbmail the results of their weekly scheduled game to the Organiser.


PENALTIES:

1. To ensure the fairest contests, any team responsible for issuing the PU challenges who does not select the 'neutral' arena for the matchup, automatically loses the match with a 0-50 point difference. No other penalties apply.
2. If, for whatever reason, a team does not have a token and it is their turn to issue the challenge, they can simply negotiate this with their opponent. In the event that neither team has a token, both teams will receive a penalty? Or, the issuing team?
3. In the event that a team fields a non-HG player, their team will receive an automatic 0-50 point Loss and an asterix next to their name, similarly to that used by BB to denote forfeits. This will be both a results penalty and a visual penalty, signalling to all other teams that this particular team has already broken the rules. That team, which would theoretically no longer be a HG Team, has until the start of the following PU to have their team return to being a 100% HG Team. Failure to do so would see them receiving an automatic loss for each subsequent game until their team returns to being HG.

MrJ

Home Grown; for teams who like a challenge!
From: MrJ

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324689.150 in reply to 324689.149
Date: 1/9/2025 3:50:24 AM
Swan River Serpents
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Done!
I don't know how to link it but this is the federation ID: 20307


That's great, LOPO, except that Wagner and many other teams cannot access the that Federation because they do not have Supporter. We could still use it, but if we did, many would not be able to access the information in it.

This is why I think we have to stay with a thread like this one. (We can definitely create a new one when we are ready).

Thank you for trying to set that up.

MrJ

Last edited by MrJ at 1/9/2025 3:51:16 AM

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From: Fattuhi

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Date: 1/9/2025 8:23:55 AM
S.F 29-team
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Hi, I'm interested in participating but i Don't have Supporter.

From: Wagner

To: MrJ
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Date: 1/9/2025 10:49:12 AM
Wagner College
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Thank you for your response, Wagner.

Perhaps we could use this season as the preparation season with the BBHG beginning at the start of next season in-line with the regular BB season?

If you (and LOPO, and Demars, etc) are okay with it, I'm happy to have a crack at getting this BBHG off the ground!?
I think we need to try and get this thing started or, at the very least, get the preparation started so we can launch at the start of next season. We can use this season to recruit/finalise the format/decide on the number of teams competing etc.

Yes, we are very happy to welcome you to help us all to get this started - it seems you have a clear way of presenting yourself and your ideas and obviously your English is practically perfect (which is not completely the case with me) which helps to avoid misunderstandings in some cases.

I try to take more time in these next few days to write more comprehensive replies than right now, but I just wanted to thank you for taking such a massive chunk of time to write all this and compile your drafts which we can use as a base to send our thoughts/suggestions about different aspects of the League (or The League - TL - that's another contender for the name competition ;).

It is very good idea to try to get things started. We are and aren't in a rush should the start of the league be at the start of the season 68. Aren't, because it seems your presence on the forum got things moving even faster than mine (and will expect your presence to affect this in the future as well) and because it seems you also are willing to take lots of time and effort to get all this started. On the other hand we are in a rush, because like you mentioned there are many aspects we need to decide on.


As I am a supporter, and will be indefinitely, I am also willing to create any polls we think would help us move this along. We could do a few simple polls on types of formats; numbers of teams competing; and any other key areas we need some consensus on.

This again is a welcome suggestion. However, I'd ask that before we create a poll, we'd allow enough time here in the forum that all possible options that we want to include to a poll would be included in the poll before we initially publish the poll for the first time (and forum or private messages can be used to let you know which additions we want to be included in a poll). Also, in the more complex subjects such as for instance voting about league system, a clear and thorough descriptions how the league is actually played this and forthcoming seasons (should we keep using the same league system in the following seasons too) should be included in the message(s) that are published here in the forum before poll is published.

Returning to the above Fishbowl comparison, If I remember correctly, I believe the number of teams in each division grew as the league did. Therefore, we could begin by deciding that the first league will have say 16 teams in it made up of two divisions of eight (mimicking the current league setups) and run them in the same format as the Leagues we already know, including finals.

Yes, as you stated in other part of your messages, I'm sure more teams will be eager to join for seasons 69, 70 etc., and we just need to get things started before everything is perfectly optimal. Let me ask you this: you mentioned mimicking the current BB league setup, so I take it that those 14-16 teams would play in SAME LEVEL in the league and NOT in 2 different level divisions (for this season, and for seasons to come, given that the number of participating teams wouldn't be considerably bigger in the future). The familiar BB league format would likely be easiest to approach for all (FWIW), and I guess both 14/16 teams would work decently/quite well with this "traditional" system.
However, just my personal (yet strong) opinion, I'd like to see playoffs decided with 1 match "one-and-done" format.

From: Wagner

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Date: 1/9/2025 11:17:13 AM
Wagner College
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You are more than welcome to join as long as your team qualifies (meets the requirements of homegrown team), as I believe most of us if not all agree that having bought a supporter will never be a requirement for participation in this Homegrown League. The League needs to be free for all qualified teams. At least for me it's a very important rule that should never be changed - otherwise it'd just become another Private league (for supporters).

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