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Who knows, maybe we would have luck like Chile and win two matches in overtime ;-)
There is many possible scenarios. In EC in three matches in row one of our players was injured ;-) Maybe in this WC (if without HCA) in 3 matches in row one of players of our opponents would be injured ;-) For example Tapia, Bronson and Zuya ;-)
Without HCA we would fight for bronze in this WC. And it would success for us. But with some luck maybe better result wouldn't be impossible. But with bad luck worse result would be possible.
Of course nothing is 100% sure. Look at Spain - they won EC and finished only 5th in WC. Gameshape, injuries, luck, bad luck. Everything can change situation. In EC Spain won twice with Italy (Italy had HCA). In WC Spain lost with Italy on neutral ground.
One thing is clear. I'm 100% sure in next WC Poland and USA will have no HCA ;-) So chance in next match will be equal. But for us it will be harder to qualify to WC, because in Europa we have more teams on similar level as Poland.

Wait Bronson led the tournament in something????? That's what he was doing when he was bricking shots.

Yes, If I didn't make mistake in my calculations he was 1st in assists and steals. But his shot % wasn't so good. So he should try less shots and more pass in matches.

I dont think it was luck that Chile won those games in overtime, I think they were the better team and the game engine just decided to make those games more interesting than they needed to be.

Agree that European teams have a more difficult road to the WC than Americas teams. I will say that Americas teams are getting better, and that Chile can beat anyone, and that Brazil, Uruguay, and Argentina (Argentina was mismanaged last term IMO) can compete with anyone. It won't be easy for the US to qualify for the Worlds either.

Canada is pretty good as well, and check out Colombia's roster. Don't want to leave anyone out.

Last edited by jfarb at 7/28/2011 6:35:50 PM

No offense, but I think it goes beyond just saying that it would be "harder", I think it would be fair to say that it would've been nearly an impossible task for you to win Worlds Gold without HCA.

You've read my stories so You know, that I'm big fan of science-fiction. So You should know, that impossible is ordinary thing which we do every day in my world ;-)

Tell you what, if Poland wins the Gold in S18 I will gladly eat crow

May the Force be with You! ;-)

Maybe you didn't read my last post in the general BB thread where I congratulated Poland, but I understand your childish desire to bring up an old topic and rub it in my face. I would do the same thing in your position...no wait I wouldn't because winning is supposed to speak for itself. I still don't believe you would've won in S16 without HCA, because this team is different from that team and Chile was the most talented team in S16, but certainly this championship makes your argument a very strong one and I was wrong. I do apologize for singling you guys out as far as my argument that HCA should not be a factor in the Worlds, something that I still very strongly believe. Congrats again, and good luck in the future. Also congrats to that Polish D4 farm team who held on to Wisneiwski's 400k salary and kept him in 9 GS all season, give that manager a trophy, the guy is a beast and single handedly won several of your games for you. We need a player like that in the US

Last edited by jfarb at 2/6/2012 4:36:04 PM

I wished You Light Side, not Dark Side ;-)

Haha, your a good guy King, I don't even think I should be the one you are arguing with. I think wozz and I did Poland a favor by arguing that no one should have HCA in the Worlds when we did, because obviously we got through to someone and the S17 U21 and this season's Worlds no one (good) had it. Imagine if they had given HCA to a decent team like France or China or whoever in the Worlds this season, would you guys be happy with a silver knowing that you had the best team in S18? We saw what happened with CR in S17 Europe so I think my point about HCA in the Worlds is a valid one.

Still Dark Side is speaking through You ;-)

I think it is a favor for USA as well, because USA had HCA in past so we all know, that USA (as Poland), wouldn't get HCA (at least early) ;-) So it's better for USA if nobody has HCA.
For me HCA in WC for other countries isn't problem. We did it with HCA, without HCA, now it will be great adventure to try against HCA ;-)

Mistake was made at beginning - when USA get first HCA in first WC in BB. Then You should complain ;-)
The most fair solution would be if every country would get HCA once, and then HCA should be removed forever. It isn't perfect solution, because perfect solution doesn't exist.

I wrote my statement about HCA few times so there is no reason to repeat this whole discussion.
But I saw few thing in Your post, which should be precised:
- France and China had HCA in past, they made gold and silver (France in U21 competitions). It would make more damages if few countries would have HCA twice, whilst other never had.
- European Championships are harder than World Championships, so they shouldn't be compared.

If you want to hold HCA in Season 6 against us go ahead. You continue to bring up the past, as if what happened in the past or who had it in the past should effect how HCA should be given in the future. That does not matter to me.

The argument is that in the future, no one should have HCA in the WC. That is the argument we made. It was a valid argument. Obviously it got through to one of the BB's. Though we are not yet talented enough at the NT level for it to matter much to us, I am very glad we made that argument. We won a U21 Worlds gold in a very fun and competitive Worlds in S17 in which Senegal had HCA.

If you want the challenge of trying to beat someone with HCA in the Worlds go ahead and make that argument in the suggestions thread and maybe the BB's will start giving HCA to Worlds teams again. For me the S16 Worlds was the most uninteresting and pointless Worlds there has ever been, and I think most anyone outside of Poland would agree.

One thing is for sure, I think we are permanently on opposite sides of this issue and I don't see any point in digging up old topics and arguing about it any further, it is obvious we aren't going to convince each other.