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Thanks for the answer. I wasn't comparing a 100k C with really bad secondaries with a 84k C with great ones. I wasn't comparing anyone directly. But Kaname Kouzuki I would argue is closer to the first guy anyway, I think his poor secondaries have been exaggerated.

What would you rather have?

C #3...102K build
Jump Shot: average Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: average Handling: average
Driving: average Passing: average
Inside Shot: marvelous Inside Def.: marvelous
Rebounding: tremendous Shot Blocking: prominent
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: respectable

C #4...62K build
Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: respectable
Driving: respectable Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: tremendous Inside Def.: tremendous
Rebounding: tremendous Shot Blocking: prominent
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: respectable

C #4 is better in every secondary and would be tempting on a club team because of his low wages, but he wont win you a JBBL championship. The NT doesn't pay wages and unless it wants to lose it will need the strong primaries to compete. I would want C#3 with the worse secondaries on my NT any day of the week.

In my world if you can see the skills you can make a good comparason. In my world if you can't see the skills you have to go on something and I am still waiting to hear what is better than salary if you can't see skills especially when there is a massive gap in the salaries? In my world a $100k C with reasonable secondaries will outplay a $60k C with slightly better secondaries any day of the week.

Fact not fiction...and I had a great day and I hope you do too.

OK..Lets do the experiment on March 20th.....
I will start P.Pablo from my team at C.....73K salary and you start your 102K C....and let's see who balls..
Your guy will have the salary advantage and experience advantage...we play them both at C and we both play LI..
And then we will see which of us is dealing in the real world or who's mind is in dream land.

Good luck Wolph.....Let's smack up some fools..

Nippon U21 did VERY well on their schedule - both games are winnable, if the first one's a bit difficult. Cymru got reamed. Russia 2nd game.

You know Tuesdays game wasn't a real test of my team. I played Takayoshi Kawagichi my 20yo trainee 48+ at PG and he was battling against your beast. I had also just sold my SF so had to play a SG at SF.

Takayoshi Kawagichi (21305663)
Point Guard
Weekly salary: $ 13 084

Mathias Budiarso (8195984)
Point Guard
Owner: Fire Country Trail Blazers
Weekly salary: $ 173 912

Budiarso played 45 minutes against him and dominated that matchup. Being slaughtered in the PG position does have an effect on the play of your big men. So does being away. So does probably having less enthusiasm.

And don't forget it is not my two 100k guys against 34k Krejci alone, he did have just a little help from Marvin Pahila Weekly salary: $ 111 948.

Even worse look at the disparity in the other support.
PG Takayoshi Kawagichi 13k vs Mathias Budiarso 174k
SG Noritada Konoe 26k vs Alpár Göncz 80k
SF Daisaku Kawaida 29k vs Samuel Falcón 30k

So on every play when there is a switch, a double team or help defence you have a massive advantage. You moved the ball much better giving your guys better opportunities and I don't know if it works this way in BB but in real life having such superior guards will open the middle up a lot more for your men.

So considering the poor support, away game etc I think my big guys did well with the exception of Sonada's horrible rebounding. They were my top two scorers, hit 19/32 combined and had more blocks than your whole team. Team vs team the best team won, easily, but I was actually happy with how they played vs what is probably now one of the top 3-4 rosters in the whole JBBL.

Last edited by Lord Toranaga at 2/17/2012 3:46:51 PM

OK..Lets do the experiment on March 20th.....

Thanks for the kind offer. However you are right that one of us does have to deal with the real world.

Kitakyushu maybe the best team in Nippon, can probably tie every game, with homecourt advantage.

Kyoto Shogun recently promoted, one of the bottom 3 teams {excluding bots} has to spend enthusiasm like he is in a Pachinko parlor to try and scrape out the occasional win, with a substandard roster in probably 4/5 positions {including C truth be told} and trying to single position train an 18 year old and a 20 year old.

PS: Shouldn't all of this been in the smack thread not here?

Your guy will have the salary advantage and experience advantage

Your guy will have HCA, enthusiasm and be surrounded by studs against my scrubs. Really a good test?

I will say looking at Pablo Peinado he is a stud and is doing very well this season.

Nippon JBBL
Ranks #5 in PTS
Ranks #5 in REB
Ranks #5 in PTS / game
Ranks #5 in REB / game
Ranks #2 in FG %
Ranks #2 in FG made
Ranks #8 in FG attempted
Ranks #3 in DR

I suspect he is not an "average" $73k salary player. The fact you paid almost $2,000,000 for him proves it. We both know that there are normal players and then those rare players who have skills way above their peers and will constantly out play guys with a much higher salary. While I really liked the fact that Kaname Kouzuki can pass and has OD, overall he is very average for his salary. Your team, with your income, your experience, your knowledge, your deep pockets, I am sure PP is far above average and so I will humbly concede without a challenge needed that PP would wipe the floor with KK.

National Team Update

Beginning Roster Announced - (Over a pint of Heineken in the Amsterdam Airport on my return trip back to Japan.) After days of work completing my scouting, and analysis of our options I have come up with the following Roster for Season 19. For now we have 12 players and will look at adding more as the season goes along.

National Team Core Roster – We will start the year with 11 players who have been identified as the best options for our team. The team consists of 5 guards, 2 Swingman, and 4 Bigs. This is without consideration for Game Shape, but game day line-ups will build that in.

Guards
Takatoshi Tagawa 28 KK Arsenal Zagreb
Haruki Fujii 26 SAMANTH BASKET
Rikkio Eguchi 26 bebop Jazz
Hideki Ochi 27 BSC Bern West
Naoya Ueda 25 Swoosh


Swingman (both of these guys are up for sale now)
Tooro Oishi 28 Stunners
Yuhei Suenami 32 Flurioca


Bigs
Yusuke Furusawa 28 SLZH
Mitsuo Shibukji 23 Sapporro Fighters
Satashi Hayakawa 26 es-es
Hirofumi Sonoda 25 Kyoto Shogun



Develoment Team – In addition I am adding one player who is close and still has some room for development. I was hoping this list would be longer.
Masatomo Saiki 23 Mythical Man-Month


On Call – The following players are on-call for possibly being added to the team if we have problems with injuries or game shape. I already know I have a game shape issue with a swingman for the first game but there are no swingman in the list below.

Guards
Soichi Hara 28 KoriPullo-Pojat
Genki Kanagaki 28 kos_team

Bigs
Tsugumichi Kyubei 29 Baikinman
Kaname Kouzuki 32 Kyoto Shogun



I will start the work to contact each manager over the next week. I’ve also created a futures list of key players for development and will post on that later. Time to go catch my flight.