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From: docend24

To: Soel
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72142.126 in reply to 72142.113
Date: 2/25/2009 9:50:20 AM
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I strongly suggest to the people who aren't happy with the proposed changes help figure out an alternative solution to the problem. Because it is a problem - how do you encourage people to train and develop their own national players?

I don't realize this is a problem which this is supposed to fix. I don't buy it.

As long as the prospect is trained it doesn't matter where he gets his training. After all it's NT/U21 manager job to communicate.

To your problem - what about a draft where you actually can get a player worth training? When players with best rating are useless more and more often, something is wrong - and now we are supposed to prefer a local talent?!

The change prefers random draft luck above manager skill. If someone get really lucky and get a great domestic prospect, he would get even a greater advantage over those who don't. And since you can't influence the quality of the pool and you get untrainable A players as your first preference... it is matter of pure luck (and matter of editing your draft order to get a ticket into this lottery).

From: jbmcrock

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72142.127 in reply to 72142.112
Date: 2/25/2009 9:50:25 AM
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Khm... So can you actually back up your claim with numbers.
Let's take Drunkers for example he has 369564 player salaries (not including the drafted players). Let's tax that with 10% that's ~36956 per week in taxes if you would have it in your country. Now his 3 Italyan players will make his team cost 13676 less per week. That's a whooping 191464 per season. If you think that one team can make just national player base team and be successful then you are wrong because none will give them away just to streanghten your opponent in the league. Now he has extreamly hard league and you will make that money back easy with easier games. If there are more users then more users need those no tax players -> stiffer competition harder to get. Every country has those inactive players + a lot of those good prospects will not be sold as people who know the game will keep them for themselves. With this change you have a better chance of getting that canadian superdraftplayer because others will be looking for their nationality player. Any of the low user country superteam can actually buy out any decent draftee if there is lesser outside intrest.

Perhaps turnabout is fair play. Drunkers lost out with the econ changes, but now with the second favourable rule change should be able to move back up (changing b3 to arcade will allow them to try and win every game instead of dumping one). However, the rule change really helps users in Italy and Spain with the high cash flows from their arenas and plethora of draft talent available to make $200 k a week monsters (which will be necessary to win international tournaments). This would more or less give them an advantage of a $100 k salary a week subsidy.

That said, I do realize my team has had "unique" advantages due to winning in the first couple of seasons. Nonetheless, teams are able to catch up, whereas it is doubtful that small countries would be able to catch up when this change is put into effect.

From: Kukoc

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72142.128 in reply to 72142.122
Date: 2/25/2009 9:52:23 AM
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The most he can save is 36956 that he would pay for taxes. Do you understand that more users = more people who want the same thing. Is someone going to give him those players for free? No! If he switches all his players at once he will lose out on transfer fees. You are living in a dream land if you think he can manage to get to all Italian team. If he does he will not compete aswell + he has lost prolly 3-4 years of taxes money on TL.

From: Soel

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72142.129 in reply to 72142.126
Date: 2/25/2009 10:00:42 AM
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I think it's fair for an individual to say they don't care about the national teams but i disagree with the opinion that no one cares about it. It is an important side of the game to many, i feel that to a degree players should have more pride in their national team. It's also my opinion that there needs to be a incentives for players to develop home grown talent to help out your national coaches.

It's completely fair to say as an individual that you're not concerned about the national team, and the future of the tournamanets. I think many people, and the BB's, feel it is a concern and there needs to be some incentive to help it improve. The national tournaments are largely ignored by many, and maybe the designers want players to get more involved with it.

So yes, in my opinion it's a problem that does need addressing.

From: docend24

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72142.130 in reply to 72142.121
Date: 2/25/2009 10:04:57 AM
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You do understand that a team from small country will have more revenue due to no competition thus making him able to create a better team that the guy in the big league because he wins everything nomatter what -> Fan survey is always maxxed.

And the problem is?

If he/she doesn't improve the team on TL and thus not competing with major clubs, you shouldn't bother.
If such a team hits TL and compete with major clubs' bids it will pay more in salaries and if the team would keep doing this the "problem" would balance itself.
If such a team play in BBB, he/she would need those players. Since manager can't choose a country to play in, he shouldn' be fined for where he/she plays. If he plays with bots, inferior teams in top league it reduces the fun a bit, so it is only legitimate to get a slight advantage to compete in BBB, actually face a real competition somewhere.

And I think you are wrong because there are surely small, middle-sized countries where several team seriously competes in top division. How is supposed to be fair for them?

From: docend24

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72142.131 in reply to 72142.117
Date: 2/25/2009 10:06:50 AM
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Actually the only benefit from such a change could be a possibility that the gap between the best and richest and others within a country could be smaller. I don't think that legitimate the change as a whole.

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72142.132 in reply to 72142.129
Date: 2/25/2009 10:09:39 AM
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I think it's fair for an individual to say they don't care about the national teams but i disagree with the opinion that no one cares about it. It is an important side of the game to many, i feel that to a degree players should have more pride in their national team. It's also my opinion that there needs to be a incentives for players to develop home grown talent to help out your national coaches.

It's completely fair to say as an individual that you're not concerned about the national team, and the future of the tournamanets. I think many people, and the BB's, feel it is a concern and there needs to be some incentive to help it improve. The national tournaments are largely ignored by many, and maybe the designers want players to get more involved with it.

So yes, in my opinion it's a problem that does need addressing.


Why are they ignored?

They are pretty much a forgone conclusion if the draw keeps the big guns apart.

Its laughable that people moan that certain club leagues dont have the right level of competition but its the same for the NT's.

Thats why no matter how patriotic you are unless your'e in with the right crowd or kiss butt you have to look at the small user base nations and pretend you've been a fan our their history and culture and food etc for years and years... please vote for me!!


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72142.133 in reply to 72142.124
Date: 2/25/2009 10:12:29 AM
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Reading about how prospects ends in hands of bots or unresponsive teams - maybe a patch to that change could be creating same number of divisions and levels for each country and all (good enough) prospects drafted by bots would end up at TL as free agents. For obvious reasons.

Yes, it would crippled the market but that's apparently not an issue since extensive filters are already implemented. At least it would give a fair chance to anybody draftwise and nationwise.

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72142.134 in reply to 72142.133
Date: 2/25/2009 10:29:16 AM
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I hope this doesnt excite countries that enjoy farming NT players to exploit and build more local players.

I honestly have no idea if farm teams exist or whether they even can. I did notice certain countries when i was actively monitoring the transfer list that seemed to just build players then turn bot (cough Romania cough) has that had any effect or was that just co-incidental?

From: Kukoc

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72142.135 in reply to 72142.133
Date: 2/25/2009 10:32:46 AM
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What lol? Draft is full of crap usually if all of the users in the "small" countrys could actually pick the players in draft then all of the good ones would be taken by the human players anyway. I have a thought let's just TL all players generated by draft and then let the users bid for them. Let's call it the money draft and all of those not bid on will go to retirement right away!:D

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72142.136 in reply to 72142.135
Date: 2/25/2009 10:39:40 AM
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I don't understand well the innovation about salary
An example:In japan there are two teams with the same salaries and the same players
TEAM A with only japanese players
TEAM B with only players of other nationalities

These two teams don't train their players,and theri players aren't old so the skill and the salaries salary don't change

What's the situation with the new system?
TEAM B have the same salary and TEAM A pay 10% less
or
TEAM A have the same salary and TEAM B pay 10% more ?




Last edited by Steve Karenn at 2/25/2009 10:40:52 AM

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