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In all leagues are poor matches and poor teams.
So? What you show?

Show me the league with semi-finalist B3 loses Tournement and play-off
Show me a team that wins with a very strong team in B3 and is weak in his country


Last edited by darkonza at 10/20/2014 7:30:36 AM

I've shown you matches between 2 of the top-4 (at the time) teams in your league from last season. Team ranked #1 against a team ranked #2. I've also shown you that in the NBBA with 10 wins you would have demoted directly.

It looks to me that Poland does have better top teams (let's say the top 3-4), but not necessarily the hardest overall league, if teams ranked #2 actually throw their games against teams ranked #1. A league where the top team loses to teams ranked #5-#8 when playing a substandard lineup is a harder league to be in. Certainly Poland's does not seem to be the most "balanced" D1 league in BB.

So you have to decide what top league means for you: do you want to take the top-4 teams and check which country has the best 4 top teams? Do you want to consider where on average you have the best 16 teams? Or do you want to check which D1 league has the lowest difference between all teams?

I think you may well be right in that, if you only consider the top 4 teams, Poland's top league might be the best league in BB. Would you still claim the same if you include all the 16 league teams?



Last edited by Lemonshine at 10/21/2014 6:00:07 AM

It looks to me that Poland does have better top teams (let's say the top 3-4), but not necessarily the hardest overall league

Ok

If we see world rang list of clubs (TOP 25) we can see next:
2 teams from Poland, Germany and Bulgaria. 6 clubs from this three countries, teams from Poland have the best rank (first end seventh team in world). If we look this TOP 3 leagues in world are Polska Liga Koszykówki, Bundesliga, A Grupa.
But I think better is to look salaries in leagues. That is easy to calculate on BBStats and I will do that maybe this evening :)

Yes, you're right
I forgot
Luis García de Veas had too many minutes, but if I play LI sometimes resign one PG/SG (Tronco or Garcia de Veas) for more minutes my PFs
Example my last game season 28 (75609713) - i play without Tronco
Garcia de Veas FG 1/8 in this game

So you're right, I played a little different with you, but that does not mean that I was stronger in this game!
Probably I was stronger against Spójnia (only for with LI/LP and against LI/LP)
I think so, because my final last game (only this match with LI in final) I played without one PG


Last edited by darkonza at 10/20/2014 10:28:35 AM

Still not sure what your point is, mate. Was it that the #1-#4 overall Polish team are all world class? Would it help if we were all to agree on that?

However, for the league as a whole, consider this:
#8 on the blue side in the US: record 10-12, best game (72404095)
#8 on the blue side in Poland: record 7-15, best game (72824182)
There is over 20 bbstats difference and the Polish team had 2 correct GDP guesses.

#5 overall team by record in the US: record 13-9, best game (72404116), no GDP, 170 bbstats (neutral)
#5 overall team by record in Poland: record 14-8, best game (72824084), 1 GDP correct, 170 bbstats (neutral)
While this was the very best game rating-wise by the Polish team, the US team had better than 170 bbstats (neutral) games with GDP.

Clearly this does not factor in Enth differences, but it looks really close to me for spots from #5 (but maybe also #4) and below. In season 28 the Polish league seemed weaker than the NBBA except for the very top teams. In order to gauge the full implications of the comparison above, I invite you to think what would happen to you if you tried to stay afloat in that NBBA league with a weaker team (effectively running a surplus and saving money for one or more future title and BBB runs). Perhaps you win 10 games and demote and you're pretty much done for. In a league with weaker mid-level and bottom teams you can stay in the top league and amass a fortune.

We can check other leagues to see if the situation is similar, but, as it happens in other countries, you just need 1 team better than yours to lose cup, league and BBB. 2 teams (or 3-4) out of 16 are not completely representative of the strength of a league. Otherwise everyone can arbitrarily decide the number of teams to include in this comparison, and there will be someone who will argue that the top league is the league with the single best team.



Last edited by Lemonshine at 10/20/2014 11:10:25 AM

Still not sure what your point is, mate:
#8 on the blue side in the US: record 10-12, best game (72404095)
#8 on the blue side in Poland: record 7-15, best game (72824182)

It's a joke
Technical Fouls bought a lot of players at the end of the season
http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/23888/transferhistory.aspx
You chose the one game, and on this basis conclusions?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eristic
Strength league that are not shopping for a few days

Watch teams playing in B3 this season and playing in their league - is probably the one good comparison
It is not perfect because a lot depends on luck

If you watch BBstats look at the salaries
In my opinion (it's only my opinion) strength = BBstats/salary team - because if the power comes from the high salaries it will not be for long

p.s. Another thing- bbstats does not show the true strength
(75271318) my bbstats is more better, and i lucky win, bbstats not always show really strength

It's a joke :)

Yeah I don't even know why I argue with someone who can't even check basic facts. The purchases you're referring to happened in October, the game is dated...17/9. You really should count to 10 before typing and check your facts...unless you're colour blind and cannot tell the red (purchase) from the green (sale).
http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/23888/transferhistory.aspx

In any case I chose the best game from both teams. I can give you an average + standard deviation, but it would change nothing as the difference is enormous. Your Polish 7-15 team had average ratings lower than some of the top English D2 teams, including my own. He won 7 games, not 1 or 2, seven.

Even just looking at the first week of the season you can understand how massive the difference between him and the american team was. In the first week (including the cup game) the American team had an average of 114 neutral bbtats the Polish one had 85. Even if you think that with a 10-15 average you can't tell for sure who will win as fouls, FT and shooting efficiency does impact the outcome, with a 30 bbstats difference there is really no chance of anything like that happening.

p.s. Another thing- bbstats does not show the true strength
(75271318) my bbstats is more better, and i lucky win, bbstats not always show really strength

The fact that bbstats should be considered together with other factors does not limit its validity. You should know very well that when FT, fouls and shooting ratings (combined with the type of attack chosen) are similar the team with better bbstats wins 9 times out of 10. After all you were on the wrong side of this one (72236206) (185-194 with similar number of FT, fouls and shooting ratings) and you cost me a free supporter...

Watch teams playing in B3 this season and playing in their league - is probably the one good comparison
It is not perfect because a lot depends on luck

We're talking about the top leagues here not top teams. Unless you want to tell me you think that Serbia has the strongest league because they had the winning BBB team last season. All BBB can tell you is how the top 2 teams in a country compare to those from another country, it doesn't tell you the overall strength of a league compared to another

If you watch BBstats look at the salaries
In my opinion (it's only my opinion) strength = BBstats/salary team - because if the power comes from the high salaries it will not be for long

What you say say it's partially true (I agree it's not sustainable), but it still doesn't have anything to do with league's strength. Besides, considering that the Polish BBB finalist was carrying a 1.1 million roster in the last part of the season I'm not sure you should be making this point at all.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 10/20/2014 1:34:45 PM

I little calculate salaries in countries that have very big number of users and I calculate this:
NBBA (USA) – 10.003.821$
LNA (Argentina) – 8.722.628$
Liga Nacional (Brasil) – 8.628.714$
Naismith (Canada) - 10.010.799$
CBSL (China) – 9.702.447$
ACBB (Spain) - 9.674.201$
Bundesliga (Germany) – 9.612.952$
Seria A (Italy) - 10.176.925$
Pro A (France) - 10.298.797$
Polska Liga Koszkow (Poland) – 10.577.190$
Austria Bundesliga (Austria) - 9.646.902$

So TOP 5 leagues in BuzzerBetaer world are:
1. Polska Liga Koszkow (Poland)
2.Pro A (France)
3. Seria A (Italy)
4. Naismith (Canada)
5. NBBA (USA)



Last edited by NightWalker at 10/20/2014 2:41:29 PM