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23982.12 in reply to 23982.9
Date: 4/12/2008 2:05:43 AM
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I dont like the salary reduction at all. this is completly unfair and unrealistic.However I would like a experience boost instead. this would make much more sense then a salary reduction.



Please explain what is completely unfair.

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Date: 4/12/2008 4:08:35 AM
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It's possible to see National teams where players are taken by friends of the national coach and of course if 2 players has the same skills this coach will chose the player of his friend.

I also don't like a salary reduction, now the salary are still quite low, I think no one team in the first 2 divisions are losing money and also if someone is spending 200k for salary I think it's his choice. The economy in the first divisions is not a problem, if a guy of Vth division wants to have 10 national players he has to pay for it.

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23982.14 in reply to 23982.9
Date: 4/12/2008 5:07:35 AM
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There was a very long discussion about salary reduction for national team players a few weeks ago in the italian forum.
I think I can say that a quite large majority of the posts was against it.

In my opinion, the only reason to introduce it is to 'compensate' for the higher chance of injury. But even then, the compensation is quite unfair, as it will be 'a free gift' for those players who don't undergo an injury and a very poor consolation for those who do (a 10% or even 20% reduction will never pay me back if I lose my best player for weeks).

A simple solution would be to play NT matches in arcade mode, or even better, to limit the injuries occurred in NT matches to NT competition only.

Last edited by Newton07 at 4/12/2008 5:08:01 AM

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23982.15 in reply to 23982.14
Date: 4/12/2008 5:24:07 AM
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A simple solution would be to play NT matches in arcade mode, or even better, to limit the injuries occurred in NT matches to NT competition only.


or to pay all or a part of the salary only if the player get an injury in a NT game.
only for the weeks where the player is injuried

Last edited by B31 (IDT Member) at 4/12/2008 5:25:37 AM

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23982.16 in reply to 23982.15
Date: 4/12/2008 6:26:43 AM
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This is exactly the solution I would prefer.

Plus very large increases in experience.

But I am completely against giving weekly benefits to managers with NT players.

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Date: 4/12/2008 6:54:07 AM
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The problem is, most of the NT players are the bests players for a team.

Injured on a NT game, can't be only compensate with the salary paid by the NT, because the player can't play anymore, and the owner have less chances to make good resultats on league.

I'm quite agree with the idea to pay 1/3 of the salary of the player.

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Date: 4/12/2008 7:01:36 AM
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The problem is, and it will get worse as the salaries go up, that it will be an enormous advantage to those managers who have NT players. And furthermore, you will have situations in which two players are almost identical in skill, but one will be chosen for the NT (for reasons that are left to the NT managers), and the other won't, which will result in two almost identical players having two very different influences on the economy of a team.
Lastly, it's very possible that a trainer be rewarded money for an injury that will never happen. Which means that over the course of 2 or 3 seasons, he will get hundreds of Ks free for no reason at all.

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23982.19 in reply to 23982.17
Date: 4/12/2008 7:05:57 AM
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I really would agree to proposal that if player gets an injury in NT match so all his injury period NT pays all his wage... Don`t pay money for not injured players... And give big boost in experience for them ...


This Idea I like most... Congrats to that user who suggested this one...

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Date: 4/12/2008 7:07:01 AM
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I agree ;)

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23982.21 in reply to 23982.20
Date: 4/12/2008 7:29:22 AM
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I think the arguments about 2 identical players where 1 gets the reduction is just nonsense. It happens always and everywhere that 2 identical players have a different influence at the economy.

When you put 2 players with all the same stats (so even the same %FG, wage etc)on the transferlist they will not sell for the same price. Maybe 1 will be sold for 150k more than the other, it just depends on the moment, if there is a bidwar or not or whatever. The team who sold it for 150k less isn't compensated as well. That's just the economy.

About the experience, it's funny to read that many want an increase in experience, but yet nobody knows what it does.. An increase in experience would be nice, but I don't have a clue what's the advantage of a higher experience. It should have an effect, yes, but for now my prominent experienced guy is playing worse than my awful experienced guy, while they have about the same stats.

Maybe we should keep the NT games as it is now, no salary reduction, no injury effect, no or little experience, just arcade mode.

And if there will be salary reduction, then it should be for every game. Someone said that you'll only need salary reduction when he gets injured, but I think that's not enough for the manager. I wouldn't want a player in the NT if he always plays with the risk for injuries, without being compensated. Then the chance to lose a keyplayer is way bigger, while you will only get a small amount of $$.

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 4/12/2008 7:30:25 AM

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23982.22 in reply to 23982.21
Date: 4/12/2008 8:00:52 AM
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I think the arguments about 2 identical players where 1 gets the reduction is just nonsense. It happens always and everywhere that 2 identical players have a different influence at the economy.

When you put 2 players with all the same stats (so even the same %FG, wage etc)on the transferlist they will not sell for the same price. Maybe 1 will be sold for 150k more than the other, it just depends on the moment, if there is a bidwar or not or whatever. The team who sold it for 150k less isn't compensated as well. That's just the economy.

This is all very interesting but it has nothing to do with the argument at hand. What I am saying is that if two managers have a player with the same skill, but one is friends with the manager of the NT (or better yet IS the maneger of the NT) of those players, one will be payed a certain salary by one manager, and the other will be payed much less by the other manager.

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