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191779.119 in reply to 191779.110
Date: 7/27/2011 6:12:13 PM
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i think any change that encourages a team to put players out of position for training is a poor one. it will encourage teams to be less competitive on the court and more focused on training.


I agree with this, but the cross-training was never meant to solve the "training out of position" problem (unless you thought that, say, by training ID, one could also designate a guard skill where to allocate some secondary training).

I see in this post two complaints I do not agree with: one is that the change is irrealistic, the other is that the random pops will have undesired effects on salary.

On the irrealistic charge, nothing about training is realistic, so I just don't see the point of it.

The effects on salary are vastly overmatched by the fact that for another season, salaries at the top end have fallen considerably (to the point where Elias Cardenas is almost an employable player), and this trend will presumably continue.

The real problem is that this puts some cap points outside of the trainer's control. Players will cap partly for random reasons. That's the only thing that I know I'm a little skeptical about. For all the rest we have to wait and see.

And,maybe as the most important thing,slows the training of the players in the main skills,giving a big advantage in short-mid term to the teams that actually have better players,because who wants to create a player with the same primary skills will need more time to reach them

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191779.120 in reply to 191779.117
Date: 7/27/2011 6:12:29 PM
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But they increase, randomly, for everyone, so your league income will also raise.


Boh i don't like the random in this kind of thing.

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191779.121 in reply to 191779.118
Date: 7/27/2011 6:17:45 PM
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If the numbers they are quoting are right, the magnitude of the increase is ridiculously small compared to the decline in salaries. 1 pop in Shot Blocking by random alone could well take two/three seasons... (it's not like shot blocking is *always* selected as the random skill, and even if it were, it would take 20 weeks for one pop).


if is right...
1 pop in REB for a SG that has already high salary is very "heavy", big different(for me) in a SG with 7 or 8 in REB and useless different in game engine.

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191779.122 in reply to 191779.119
Date: 7/27/2011 6:18:07 PM
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And,maybe as the most important thing,slows the training of the players in the main skills,giving a big advantage in short-mid term to the teams that actually have better players,because who wants to create a player with the same primary skills will need more time to reach them


And where is the difference between now and then? So if I got 8 pops from full season OD training before, now I will get 7. It's the same for all players, so there willl still be the same gap between better and worse players who receive the same training.

I don't know, I feel like you and the other Italian are holding onto very weak arguments just for the sake of arguing and nothing else. A lot of people proved your arguments very weak, so why bother? The change is very small, get over it.

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191779.123 in reply to 191779.118
Date: 7/27/2011 6:20:39 PM
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(it's not like shot blocking is *always* selected as the random skill, [...]

I'm trying to figure out if cross-training trains every week a random skill (as you're saying... and I had the same impression) or it is related to fixed skills, like related skills work now (for ex. SB for ID).

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191779.125 in reply to 191779.122
Date: 7/27/2011 6:25:33 PM
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And,maybe as the most important thing,slows the training of the players in the main skills,giving a big advantage in short-mid term to the teams that actually have better players,because who wants to create a player with the same primary skills will need more time to reach them

And where is the difference between now and then? So if I got 8 pops from full season OD training before, now I will get 7. It's the same for all players, so there willl still be the same gap between better and worse players who receive the same training.

Few players receive training when they are 25-26-27years or older because of a lot of reasons(too high salaries for the league,potential cap,change of training of the owner,etc...),so the change for them is minimal
But all the young players that are trained will suffer from this reduction in the training of the primary skills.1 pop for season for 7-8 seasons means 7-8 primary skills less for a player that have to be trained for a lot of weeks when he'll be26-27 years to reach the level of the actual player who is not trained to reach the same skills
I would call this a BIG advantage...

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191779.126 in reply to 191779.124
Date: 7/27/2011 6:26:44 PM
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So, I have taken my 200k guard and compared the difference between his salary with rb at 7 and rb at 8.

The difference is 13k. The guard dropped 15k in salary this offseason alone.

So
(i) overall, salaries are going and will continue to go down
(ii) insofar as something modestly counterbalances the effect of salary reductions, it applies equally to all managers.

It would however be 13k more than what it should be with reduced salary.It's not really a point this

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