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122310.116 in reply to 122310.114
Date: 12/16/2009 7:11:17 PM
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Thats 100% avoiding Harper's question. Out of the current candidate who would you vote for.

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Date: 12/16/2009 7:22:08 PM
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Thats 100% avoiding Harper's question. Out of the current candidate who would you vote for.



stogey gave a speech. if he isnt running i'd vote for a protest candidate, as it seems that I am the only serious candidate that does not think our process is yielding acceptable results.


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122310.118 in reply to 122310.115
Date: 12/16/2009 7:23:42 PM
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great questions charles, though not as good as your aba question from years ago.

these deserve proper answers, which i will get out early tomorrow if that's ok.

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122310.119 in reply to 122310.118
Date: 12/16/2009 7:38:44 PM
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Just wanted to add my short opinion.

Something is really appealing about TUG. I wouldn't mind him being the face of the Nation for a term just to get under the skin of other countries. I see him provoking all of South America in the first season.

I feel like TUG answers, although verbose, aren't proving much yet. We know he has a tool that he claims gives him a competitive advantage.

We know what everyones track record is, but not alot about how they'd run things with an allstar roster.Is there going to be a big shakeup in the NT roster, or is it the same faces? What other options are out there?

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122310.120 in reply to 122310.94
Date: 12/16/2009 9:20:06 PM
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Do you consider the past few seasons of the NT a success?

I would consider a worlds semi-final appearance the minimum for a successful season. That said, last year wasn't a crushing disappointment (being only 1 different match result from the semis), but definitely wouldn't meet my standard of success.


How would any of you define success for the NT moving forward? Is it just incrementally moving along laying down a foundation for hopeful future success, or are you a win equates to success, and everything else is unacceptable?

I think that on the quality level of the NT, making the semifinals is success, and getting beyond that will require some degree of luck (GS, injuries, etc). Outside of winning, a NT manager should leave a strong foundation for future managers and the U21 manager by assisting with the player development and opponent scouting programs (and encouraging participation of managers that don't have the "coach" next to their name).

Is it mandatory to be on the offsite forum or participate in chats during games in order to have a valid opinion when it comes to the NT? If any of you got challenged or criticized for decisions made, how would you handle it? With venom, or diplomacy? I'd like to help with the NT in some way, but I don't feel that having to be a yes man would work for me, and I certainly wouldn't want to be dealt with like URG if I disagreed with anyone from the current power structure.

No, it shouldn't be mandatory to be on the offsite forum/participate in chats to have a valid opinion.

No, people shouldn't get a free pass to Monday Morning Quarterback -- if you don't participate ahead of time or structure your input toward changing future results, I'm not terribly interested in hearing your dissection of past results.

People deserve a baseline assumption of diplomacy, but at the same time, the coach deserves the right to react in kind if attacked personally. I know I'd love to be a paragon of virtue as NT coach, but I'll state up front that I'm human and likely to respond with my nose out of joint at least once if someone is over the top with negative criticism and not much constructive.

I don't have enough information to give my opinion as to whether or not the treatment URG has gotten in this thread is "fair", but I can say that I'd certainly try to avoid outright vitrol in a public forum as much as possible.

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122310.122 in reply to 122310.112
Date: 12/16/2009 9:29:23 PM
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I would vote for wozzvt, as he's got a lot of blood, sweat, and tears invested in the NT program and I disagree with UnrealGunner's assertion that we need to blow up the old regime and start over.

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122310.123 in reply to 122310.115
Date: 12/16/2009 9:44:31 PM
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1) I guess I'd have to admit here that I don't have much experience working with tactics for an "unwinnable game", as my team hasn't really been in games where I felt that I had to throw the kitchen sink onto the court to compete, and I haven't messed with weird stuff in scrims/PLs. I think it wouldn't hurt to do something odd, but I can say that every time I've tried to go against my bread & butter with my club team, the results have been spectacular...ly bad.

2) Yes, I would keep the same general policy (not sure exactly how many slots were left open on average by Juice). I would probably be inclined to have a roster of 15 through most of the competition, leaving 3 slots open for injury subs or a "quirky specialist"

3) My 15-man roster would probably include 10-12 "standard" players -- 2 at each position, and maybe a spare flex-guard and flex-big; and then 3 "specialists" of some sort -- abnormal SF candidates, defensive specialists, etc. I'm kinda opposed to defensive black holes for my club team, and my defense-first attitude would probably carry over to the NT as well.

4a) I would say I don't, as I don't have experience with NBBA/II level competition. That said, I'd say it's not necessarily a liability either--having not had the benefit of that experience, I also don't have the tendencies that are developed when faced with such competition--which may well make my tactical choices a little more "bizzare" than the other NT managers are used to seeing.

4b) About all I could say for "tactical" results at my club level would be the almost-win I had at the end of Season 8, where I switched from my normal inside tactics in big games (at the time I was just coming off of PF/C training and my bigs were my better players) to a motion tactic that wound up getting around my opponent's zone and left me up 2 after 3 quarters on the road with equal effort put in and a slight enthusiasm disadvantage IIRC. Of course, my team collapsed in the 4th, so I didn't even get a win to notch on that...

5) I'll admit that I didn't follow either NT that closely this year, and barely followed the senior team at all; I think I'd be inclined in general to try to pick my spots and plan the whole group in advance. I'd possibly consider throwing a game for enthusiasm management purposes, but it's hard to say in advance that I would in fact do something like that. Every game thrown is one more margin for error gone; so it'd definitely be a very close decision that would be situation-dependent.

6) The whole "groups are drawn by your previous results thing" was news to me when it came up in a U21 thread earlier this season (and I took the posts in that thread to mean that it was news to most other people involved in the program too). Given that, I'm not really willing to second-guess Juice at this point. Going forward, I'll definitely consider the future group when making a decision whether or not to enthusiasm manage on a "meaningless" game.

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122310.124 in reply to 122310.94
Date: 12/16/2009 9:48:02 PM
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. Is it mandatory to be on the offsite forum or participate in chats during games in order to have a valid opinion when it comes to the NT?


I saw Azariah did respond to this but I wanted to point out being part of the offsite forum is kinda a requirement to participaite in the game plan itself other than BBmails with the coach due to secrecy and for those who haven't signed up please do it would be great to see more active faces on it.http://s3.zetaboards.com/BuzzerBeater_USA_NT/index/

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122310.125 in reply to 122310.124
Date: 12/16/2009 9:56:09 PM
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Is anyone going to question me because I have the answers to this team

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