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From: Harper
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Date: 12/16/2009 6:50:52 PM
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If you could not vote for yourself, which candidate would you vote for (nobody is an option) and why.

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Date: 12/16/2009 7:06:01 PM
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i wasnt counting offensive rebounds either

its fg + ft/2 + to

Exactly, and when you do this (also subtracting out ORs), you get 5.25 extra possessions in the Push game.

But quibbling over the exact numbers aside, your exampled claimed that we were missing out on 40 possessions. That's an astonishingly high number. Using this possession calculation, we actually GAIN 5.5 points scored per game, while also giving our opponent 5.25 FEWER possessions.

edit to add: The # of possessions is tricky since we only have one Push game, but the 5.25 is actually remarkably close to an old study someone (Dr Jan Itor perhaps, actually) did that found base was worth 84.8 possessions, and push was worth 90.4. There's a pretty good (though old) thread about this stuff on the offsite forum for anyone who's interested.



yes, the example was something of an exaggeration.

the numbers i have are bigger than a gap of 6 though, and smaller than 40.


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Date: 12/16/2009 7:08:42 PM
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If you could not vote for yourself, which candidate would you vote for (nobody is an option) and why.


Doesn't look like stogey is running, or I would vote for him. He has sort of a joke speech, but as a manager he's had huge results, and has a great sense of the moment.




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Date: 12/16/2009 7:11:17 PM
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Thats 100% avoiding Harper's question. Out of the current candidate who would you vote for.

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Date: 12/16/2009 7:22:08 PM
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Thats 100% avoiding Harper's question. Out of the current candidate who would you vote for.



stogey gave a speech. if he isnt running i'd vote for a protest candidate, as it seems that I am the only serious candidate that does not think our process is yielding acceptable results.


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Date: 12/16/2009 7:23:42 PM
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great questions charles, though not as good as your aba question from years ago.

these deserve proper answers, which i will get out early tomorrow if that's ok.

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Date: 12/16/2009 7:38:44 PM
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Just wanted to add my short opinion.

Something is really appealing about TUG. I wouldn't mind him being the face of the Nation for a term just to get under the skin of other countries. I see him provoking all of South America in the first season.

I feel like TUG answers, although verbose, aren't proving much yet. We know he has a tool that he claims gives him a competitive advantage.

We know what everyones track record is, but not alot about how they'd run things with an allstar roster.Is there going to be a big shakeup in the NT roster, or is it the same faces? What other options are out there?

From: Azariah

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Date: 12/16/2009 9:20:06 PM
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Do you consider the past few seasons of the NT a success?

I would consider a worlds semi-final appearance the minimum for a successful season. That said, last year wasn't a crushing disappointment (being only 1 different match result from the semis), but definitely wouldn't meet my standard of success.


How would any of you define success for the NT moving forward? Is it just incrementally moving along laying down a foundation for hopeful future success, or are you a win equates to success, and everything else is unacceptable?

I think that on the quality level of the NT, making the semifinals is success, and getting beyond that will require some degree of luck (GS, injuries, etc). Outside of winning, a NT manager should leave a strong foundation for future managers and the U21 manager by assisting with the player development and opponent scouting programs (and encouraging participation of managers that don't have the "coach" next to their name).

Is it mandatory to be on the offsite forum or participate in chats during games in order to have a valid opinion when it comes to the NT? If any of you got challenged or criticized for decisions made, how would you handle it? With venom, or diplomacy? I'd like to help with the NT in some way, but I don't feel that having to be a yes man would work for me, and I certainly wouldn't want to be dealt with like URG if I disagreed with anyone from the current power structure.

No, it shouldn't be mandatory to be on the offsite forum/participate in chats to have a valid opinion.

No, people shouldn't get a free pass to Monday Morning Quarterback -- if you don't participate ahead of time or structure your input toward changing future results, I'm not terribly interested in hearing your dissection of past results.

People deserve a baseline assumption of diplomacy, but at the same time, the coach deserves the right to react in kind if attacked personally. I know I'd love to be a paragon of virtue as NT coach, but I'll state up front that I'm human and likely to respond with my nose out of joint at least once if someone is over the top with negative criticism and not much constructive.

I don't have enough information to give my opinion as to whether or not the treatment URG has gotten in this thread is "fair", but I can say that I'd certainly try to avoid outright vitrol in a public forum as much as possible.

From: Azariah

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Date: 12/16/2009 9:29:23 PM
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I would vote for wozzvt, as he's got a lot of blood, sweat, and tears invested in the NT program and I disagree with UnrealGunner's assertion that we need to blow up the old regime and start over.

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