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From: southpaw17

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208821.106 in reply to 208821.100
Date: 2/10/2012 3:21:38 PM
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1) even factoring in slowdown due to age, training is order-invariant : given a final build every path to that build will Take the same time.


I don't believe this... If taller people train slower in guard skills and as they get older all training slows... Then getting to secondaries last won't even out getting to them first. I especially believe this to be true now with the cross training effect. I have no proof of this but I'm attempting it with my prospect.

From: southpaw17

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208821.107 in reply to 208821.105
Date: 2/10/2012 3:29:27 PM
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This is where my program that we need to go beyond just telling a manager how to train his prospect comes into play. We need to mentor the manager on how to build his team around the player to advance so when they sell off their player they are in the upper leagues and can go about building their team how they wish.


I just want to emphasize: what's a little annoying about these kinds of comments is the pretense that these are new or difference/making ideas. Let me ask you: how many teams have you mentored in your twelve seasons in this game?
Have you got a sense of how many users have been mentored by the users you aim to "improve upon"---people like me, brian, jfarb?
You don't need tell me the specific teams you've mentored---just how many there are and how you've helped them be successful.


I could see where that would be annoying... However I don't know at all where i mentioned it was a new idea. My wrinkle on it was to get the NT coach himself to deliver the training plans.

As far as mentoring goes I've never had a startup team contact me and say help me, but I have helped people with tactical choices and what enthusiasm to use etc on multiple occassions.

I know that all the top managers have mentored a ton of teams... What I'm saying I would do (and what you said you wouldn't do) is go out as the coach and make it more personal which I believe is the way to grow interest in the NT.

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From: southpaw17

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208821.114 in reply to 208821.108
Date: 2/10/2012 4:07:22 PM
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Use a simple example such as, I want to get 1ID and 1OD pop total, 1 pop when guy is 18, 1 pop when he is 25 (arbitrary numbers). Say at 18 it takes 1 week for the ID pop, 2 weeks for the OD pop. At age 25, training slows 50%.

So we have 2 options: Train 2 weeks OD at 18, and 2 weeks ID at 25, for total of 4 weeks to get 2 pops.

Or

Train 1 week ID at 18 for a pop, train 1 week OD at 18 for half a pop, and train 2 weeks OD at 25 to finish the pop, again 4 weeks.


I don't agree with the 50% being all because the height would make the effect less than 50%. Again this is a theory that I'm trying to prove with cottrell.

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208821.115 in reply to 208821.114
Date: 2/10/2012 5:07:44 PM
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Trying to answer these questions is a pain in the ass on the phone lol. I'll answer them when I get home on my computer.

From: jfarb

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208821.116 in reply to 208821.113
Date: 2/10/2012 6:03:38 PM
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