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Good idea!

If not bot in the meantime :p I think I'd like to play on season 3, thanks!

Hei Wagner, I would definitely join for season 3 as well

Hei Wagner, I would definitely join for season 3 as well

Thanks LennuK. and ned, I updated the list. 8 out of 16 current HGL teams have now confirmed their participation to Season 3 as well.

This discussion makes me think that it would be a good idea to create 2 separate divisions : a UPPER and a (I don't know how to say it without being disrespectfull :D )
By this mean, the weaker could hope for 1/3 of wins, and the best could not hope for more than 80% easily.
But, we should be more than 18...

While I understand this is something that may divide opinions to some degree, personally I think positives of having only one same level league where every HGL team plays against every other HGL team far outweighs the possible negatives of this current setup/practice.
It´s a long discussion (with many points already presented), which has been had before, actually multiple times before, also on Homegrown teams II-thread if my memory serves me).

Actually, when you look at top8-salaries of teams for Season 2, here (327516.63), we actually haven´t got quite as layered salary structure as on Season 1, especially what becomes to lowest ranked teams.
Basically we have HAD at 742K, followed by 4 teams within $90K of each other (525-435K).

Then teams ranked from 6th to 15th are within $106K of each other (342-236K).

Team ranked 16th on the other hand is way behind in salaries at $80K/week.

Also, worst teams always tend to struggle to find wins, or best team(s) in lower division, should there be a 2 division setup in use, would struggle to not to win, as they´re still strongest of the group. So while it would likely make worst teams lose a bit less (or possibly find an occassional win slightly more often), again there are many many negatives in having a 2 different level divisions, such as likely having to play multiple times with each other during one season, causing more administrative work, making wins, records and statistics uncomparable to each other, and so on.

And like you mentioned, it would also require more teams. With current intrerest levels (unless we´re able to awaken loads of more interest of participation), I´d find it better to think of different possibilities to add/replace teams to current setup if maximum limit within current league setup would be exceeded (which it currently hasn´t).

That could be small play-in type league/playoffs (during real HGL playoffs), into which only new-to-HGL teams, or also worst team(s) in HGL would participate, which would determine participation rights for the next season of HGL. The downside would be, that it would possibly cause some HGL teams to drop out due to not having successful teams enough, and in one way I'd like to guarantee a league place for existing HGL teams for the next season(s) as well as long as their team qualifies and they comply with HGL rules.

We could also have possibility to expand current setup to up to 18 (or so?) teams, if that´s required by adding few more matches on some weeks. But as mentioned, there are many things to consider, such as when adding teams with salary budgets on the highest or lowest ends - nobody will ever agree on every decision. Adding a super strong team(s) will make it harder for other to win championship, while adding very weak teams in terms of salaries causes games which score isn't hard to guess beforehand. So in that sense some kind of play-in series/playoff could work in determining participation rights for next season, but as also said before, I kind of don't like the idea that team would lose their place in HGL due to that.

Like I´ve mentioned, having 2 separate level divisions wouldn´t solve the problem of weakest teams either (if wins are their ultimate goal) to have separate level divisions, as they are most likely only going to have somewhat equal matches with each other only, and within current league setup they´ll also meet each other (and have that chance).

So given this - and all that I´ve said about this matter during a year or so on forum discussions - I strongly think we should stick with current one league level league setup.

Last edited by Wagner at 8/3/2025 8:04:09 AM

I understand, but to make it more fair you could put a maxsalary for every starting 5. If not sign me up in about 10 seasons from now 😜

Last edited by Dutch Farmer at 8/3/2025 9:38:20 AM

I understand, but to make it more fair you could put a maxsalary for every starting 5. If not sign me up in about 10 seasons from now 😜

I suppose I´ll see you in 10 then ;)

I mean I get your point, and as you can see, my team is not one of the most successful teams in HGL either (last season dropped out on First Round of Playoffs, and started this years´ regular season with 2-4 record) so I can sort of see your pain. It´s a slow process, and requires lot of patience. But many of us HG team managers seem to have plenty of it...

So while doing that what you suggested would help to equalize the competition, make games more equal, I´m not sure it would make them more fair though, especially if one has fully trained their own players for the full duration of their career (or at least hasn't gained major salary advantage by buying them back).
But this current HGL practice of defining HG team is in a line with LOPO's (manager of Eliocroca CB, the creator of HG teams-listing and Homegrown teams II-thread) original definition of HG teams.

So train hard and draft wisely, and be patient. Sounds easy, yes? ;D

I'll give you ball 200 for your wisdom 😉

Thanks for a ball Dutch Farmer, +1 to you as well :)

@all managers: By the way, first batch of fresh Season 2 HGL Offensive and Defensive (Opponent) Team Stats (updated August 4th, after Round 6) are now available, I hope you all enjoy!

As usual, they´re available here: (327517.9).

Hi Wagner

of course i'm in for season 3 (and 4 and 5, etc)

Like Chucarro, I am here for the long-term development and growth of the HGL.

I would always like to be a part of this competition. Please put my name down, Wagner.




UTOPIAN ONLY HOME GROWN LEAGUE:

Next season I will be trying to get the Utopian HG League (name yet to be decided) up and running and hope this will slowly become bigger and bigger over the coming seasons...and years. Currently there are only a handful of known HG Utopian teams.

Sadly, this means that the current Home Grown Kings (HGK) Private League, once completed by the first half of next season (70), will be replaced with a Utopian-Only Home Grown Private League. This is due to a few reasons:

1. To remove a competitor to the HGL. Why? To funnel all HG teams into one large competition without dividing our HG community.
2. Promote and foster Utopian Home Grown teams. Why? Because Utopian teams are currently not recognised by or welcome in the HGL.
3. To provide a competition for HG Utopian teams. Why? To provide a competition for HG Utopian teams who have no other means of competing with like-minded HG teams.

So, any and all Utopian Home Grown teams wishing to be a part of this new league, please let me know via bbmail.

Thank you.


PS. If you would like to put forward a name suggestion for this new league, please do so. I would only ask, after many conversations with Wagner, that perhaps the name chosen is not too similar to the HGL.