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A while ago, I proposed an idea about FT training on one of the topics.

Here's a concept that in my opinion would be the best and most logical - FT related to JS. It's very reasonable that a player who has JS 15 has at least 6-7 FT. It's absolutely stupid that he can't hit a free throw but hits 7 of 9 jump shots during the game. When JS pops, FT also does, but in lesser degree. However, for those who want to get faster FT ups, the option to train it independently should stay.

In my opinion, this would be a very logical step that would encourage training of young players. It's very annoying when you get a promising draftee, but he has FT 1, and you know you won't be training it in seasons.

I think that is logical.

A while ago, I proposed an idea about FT training on one of the topics.

Here's a concept that in my opinion would be the best and most logical - FT related to JS. It's very reasonable that a player who has JS 15 has at least 6-7 FT. It's absolutely stupid that he can't hit a free throw but hits 7 of 9 jump shots during the game. When JS pops, FT also does, but in lesser degree. However, for those who want to get faster FT ups, the option to train it independently should stay.

In my opinion, this would be a very logical step that would encourage training of young players. It's very annoying when you get a promising draftee, but he has FT 1, and you know you won't be training it in seasons.

It's very annoying when you get a promising draftee, but he has Passing 1, and you know you won't be training it in seasons. Maybe training 1v1 should also train passing?

It's very annoying when you get a promising draftee, but he has Inside Shot 1, and you know you won't be training it in seasons. Maybe training JS (for guards) should also train IS?

It's very annoying when you get a promising draftee, but he has OD1, and you know you won't be training it in seasons. Maybe training ID or SB should also train OD?

Or, better yet, just make everything train everything, so nobody is annoyed.

As far as I know that is already happening. I have trained my players' inside defence and one of my player's FT has popped from 3 to 4.

Last edited by muallim at 5/23/2014 1:16:09 PM

this is true.

I think what the OP is saying though, is that, if - in a game situation, a player can hit 75% of his unopposed Jump Shots from around the free throw line, because he has Phenominal Jump Shot + Wonderous Jump Range..... then logically he should be able to hit a similar number of of actual Free Throws.
But at the moment, the situation is such that the above player might have atrocious FT's and only hit 30% of them.

There are other training links in the game, such as 1n1 for Forwards trianing IS.... 1n1 for guards train's JS.... ID trains a bit of RB and SB..... JR trains some JS. etc etc. So the training engine is attempting to emulate related skill sets.

If were to rank all the skills that are related in the game, I would have thought that JS and FT were right up there as being related and as such, the OP is suggesting that the training reflect this.

To which I agree :)

I agree with Qaaph Zyld, it is unrealistic that a good outside shooter can't hit a free throw.

There should be a minor change in both JS and JR training, something like, every 12-15 trainings in JS or JR = 1 up in FT.And since inside players don't take JS/JR trainings as much as outside players, they would (in average) have a little less FT skill than outside players which is also realistic.

I agree with Qaaph Zyld, it is unrealistic that a good outside shooter can't hit a free throw.

There should be a minor change in both JS and JR training, something like, every 12-15 trainings in JS or JR = 1 up in FT.And since inside players don't take JS/JR trainings as much as outside players, they would (in average) have a little less FT skill than outside players which is also realistic.

It's also unrealistic that a player can be a professional player from age 18 until age 30, miss all of his FTs and never have his coach attempt to make him practice FTs. Maybe for realism, every team should be forced to train free throws once a month? And while we're at it, it's unrealistic that players who are professional can have hundreds of turnovers in their careers and zero assists, and have his coach never make him practice the simple art of passing the ball. Maybe for realism, every team should be forced to train passing for team once a month?

If you don't like a guy being unable to hit a jump shot you train jump shot. If you don't like a guy being unable to pass the ball, you train passing. If you don't like a guy being too tired to play well, you train stamina. Why is it that if you don't like a guy being able to shoot free throws, you instead want to make other training handle that?

I agree that if you want strong FT you have to train it. But I also agree with the OP that the current setup doesn't make sense. It shouldn't be that a there would be no residual effect from JS/JR to FT.

Think of it compared to JS. I could never train JS, but still the players JS would improve through JR, IS, and 1:1 training. In fact I've almost never trained JS and my trainees progress quite well in JS over time.

Should be that you get some small improvements in FT from JS training. If you want FT to be strong though then you have to train FT.

It's also unrealistic that a player can be a professional player from age 18 until age 30, miss all of his FTs and never have his coach attempt to make him practice FTs.

I get what u are saying in that this isnt real life, its a simulation, and there are lots of other unrealistic points to this game. And this is true. But if that were 100% true, then there wouldnt be a Suggestions Forum now would there?

So being the suggestions forum that what we discuss. So back to it.

If you don't like a guy being unable to hit a jump shot you train jump shot. If you don't like a guy being unable to pass the ball, you train passing. If you don't like a guy being too tired to play well, you train stamina. Why is it that if you don't like a guy being able to shoot free throws, you instead want to make other training handle that?

Actually this is not true. I don't think ive trained Jump shot for like.... well, a long time. I rely on 1n1 for guards and Outside shooting to train my JS. And I dont think ive ever trained SB, I rely on the ID and RB training to pump that up.
The point im making is that there are lots of examples in the training suite where there is substantial cross-skill training and for the most part, its all logical.

So if the idea that FT does not get trained in a direct cross-over manner is illogical. Am I right? Right...And thats all the OP is saying. And the suggestion is that this could be amended ever so slightly such that you don't end up with a guy who has Collosal JS and pitiful FT.

Actually this is not true. I don't think ive trained Jump shot for like.... well, a long time. I rely on 1n1 for guards and Outside shooting to train my JS. And I dont think ive ever trained SB, I rely on the ID and RB training to pump that up.
The point im making is that there are lots of examples in the training suite where there is substantial cross-skill training and for the most part, its all logical.

But nothing trains passing as a secondary. One on One trains so much more stuff than JS and almost as much JS as JS training that very few people use JS training and few of those actually understand training speeds. JR training is so slow that even among the people who haven't considered the skill totally worthless, it's rarely trained. Because almost everything trains handling and 1v1 trains so much more on so many more players, almost nobody trains handling. These are things that are actual problems with the training. People unwilling to take a week or two here or there to train FT is a much lower spot on the scale - it would make some sense for JS to train it, sure, but FT training is so fast, doesn't really get slowed down by age, trains everyone and is not minute dependent that there's no real compelling game design reason to increase it other ways as well. There are a lot more compelling issues with training that are far more worthy of being addressed than this, and certainly the only way training FT as a secondary to other skills would make real sense is in a serious rework of the entire training system.

Last edited by GM-hrudey at 5/25/2014 9:06:21 AM