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Date: 10/30/2010 4:35:54 PM
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I've been reading up on tactics, and I've just started using Coach Parrot's tool.

I've been wondering about whether to use 3-2 zone or 2-3 zone for my team against a motion offense. The problem is this - the tool says that 2-3 zone is better for my team, but the help faq by Naker says the opposite. Which is correct? It may be that my team is currently so good at the 2-3 zone that it calculates better in the tool.

Thanks for any help!

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162787.2 in reply to 162787.1
Date: 10/30/2010 4:43:17 PM
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You have to think about your team but about you rival too, sometimes it´d be better 2-3 if your rival best players are PF and C and others you´d choose 3-2 if best players are PG or SG.


This´s wrong, i was referring to Push the ball instead of Motion, sorry me.

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162787.3 in reply to 162787.1
Date: 10/30/2010 5:45:42 PM
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Just because you predict higher team stats doesn't mean you will be better off, because these figures are independent of your opponent. You can have much better team ratings and still lose a match due to individual player match ups and other variables. Team ratings are explained in discussion thread here (116609.1). Its a long thread, but I recommend reading the whole thing for a better understanding.

If you play a 2-3 zone defense against a motion offense, your overall stats may be increased due to rebounding etc., but you will leave your opponent with a lot of open shots on the outside. If you look in the FAQ, you will see that 2-3 is the worst defensive tactic to use against RnG or Motion (144856.25). On the other hand, if your SF has poor OD you would probably be better off playing m2m than 3-2 because of the importance of match ups.

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162787.4 in reply to 162787.3
Date: 10/30/2010 6:22:03 PM
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Thanks a lot! You've led me in the right direction! It makes a lot of sense, and additionally fills in a lot of detail I've been wondering about. Based on the previous games of my opponent, I had guessed that a 2-3, despite being the worst defence, would have been the best one due to the reduced FG percentage he put up - normally averaging 38-45% on m2m, but 27% on 2-3. Now I will look at my OD's and determine whether to go to the 3-2.

Plus 1 to you!

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162787.5 in reply to 162787.4
Date: 10/30/2010 6:50:13 PM
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Your welcome. As an aside, many people consider 2-3 one of the worst possible defensive sets to run, and from opinions I have listened to, it is for much the same reason that NBA teams don't run a 2-3 zone. The Suns of course, were daring enough to use it in the PO vs Lakers last season In the NBA, almost everybody is a good shooter, and you just can't leave guys open. I think that is much the case here as well, and unless you are absolutely convinced that they are committing to an inside focused offense, you may be setting your opponent up to make it rain. A good way to get a quick summary of your opponents tactical history is by looking up their team ID number with BBTools:

(http://bbtools.oeuftete.com/bbtools/prospectus)

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162787.6 in reply to 162787.5
Date: 10/30/2010 7:34:15 PM
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Yup, got all the tools already :D - he's a strictly motion/m2m player, with no enthusiasm usage. My players outrank his except for his center, who's a relative beast at 24k salary. Unfortunately, I have 3 trainees set for this week at center, and my weakest one at 5k salary (and really a SF) is up to face him. I have both home advantage and enthusiasm, which is high enough for TIE to still give me a good edge. Additionally, he has inept/mediocre GS on most of his players. If it wasn't for the cup game after (where I might get a chance to win if I play it right), I'd be running all over his grill.

So far, I've started using the tools and seeing some major improvement in my management over the last week. Even though I started horribly, I still think I can pull out a top 4 season!

I'm sure by now you can guess who my opponent is, so do you think I can field a trainee at C and still pull the win?

Last edited by stedanjos at 10/30/2010 7:38:48 PM

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162787.7 in reply to 162787.6
Date: 10/30/2010 8:45:20 PM
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Although their star C can rebound well, he is down to 7GS and he is inconsistent scorer. His real scoring comes from his wing men, so I would consider playing 3-2 zone. If you are concerned about the strength of your zone, you could play m2m and swap your PF with C on defense, which does not impact your trainees minutes. Just keep in mind that this applies to your PF bench and reserves as well, so be sure the players you have in those positions are capable of filling that role. Anyway, that's my 2 minute take. I think a win is possible, especially with HC advantage. Good luck.


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162787.8 in reply to 162787.7
Date: 10/30/2010 8:59:18 PM
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Yep, that last suggestion hit the spot.

After the swap to m2m/ C-PF, the projection looks good!

+1 for you!

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162787.9 in reply to 162787.5
Date: 10/31/2010 7:46:36 AM
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i think personally that 2-3 is still the most efficient way, to kill an inside focus team because you avoid more damage inside then you get through outside attacks, and has still a small plus in rebounding.

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162787.10 in reply to 162787.9
Date: 10/31/2010 10:38:33 AM
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I see. Therefore, Mod-CrazyEye, you disagree with the faq? Since Motion seems to be an outside based attack and it recommends the 3-2?

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162787.11 in reply to 162787.10
Date: 10/31/2010 10:48:28 AM
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no, i only disagree that 2-3 is a useless defence generally, and against motion i prefer 3-2 or 1-3-1(depending that you have superior rebounder)